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Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jun 30, 2010 - 08:42pm PT
Perhaps a Vorpal Sword was used.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
Did I say 5 minutes of googling?

I came up with a list of Pentagon crash victims in about 12 seconds.

Here you are, with photos even, courtesy of the Washington Post.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/911victims/


And hey, there are even profiles of each person.


Prove those people weren't on that flight. Go ahead.

Unless you truthers think WaPo is in on it.

Oh, and Tony "The profiles in this feature were written in the months following Sept. 11, 2001."

So yes, reporters did seek out info on the victims.

It's all there.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
Where's Bugs when we need him!

Pssst...that Wascally Wabbit was a conspirator too.
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
Rok, there was a recent documentary, Attack on the Pentagon (Discovery Channel), that explains much of what you are questioning.

Just found this. Has several eyewitness accounts of the JET crash. For crying out loud, the Solicitor General's wife was on that plane. Remember that office? Your pal, Kagan, served in that position.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/110804factsstraight.htm
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
Put together the whole story?

We got sucker punched. Face it. We have been in this war since before 1979. This has been going on forever and thanks to irresponsible population growth, it's getting worse. Checked out Kingdom of Heaven, Director's Cut (Ridley Scott) this week. Good movie and fair perspective. Not about population growth BTW. God forbid, the subject no one can handle.
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:03pm PT
No I'm Mimi's Steve.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
This has been going on forever and thanks to irresponsible population growth, it's getting worse. Checked out Kingdom of Heaven, Director's Cut (Ridley Scott) this week. Good movie and fair perspective. Not about population growth BTW. God forbid, the subject no one can handle.



Mimi,

Oh you mean this kinda population growth?

MSNBC In Cover-Up Of Manifestly Provable Population Control Plan
http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in-cover-up-of-manifestly-provable-population-control-plan.html




Yea, welcome to the NWO. Enjoy your stay until we don't want or need you anymore.

Hey, at least they were honest and told us they would do this way back in the 70s:







American Stonehenge: Monumental Instructions for the Post-Apocalypse
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/ff_guidestones

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones




Gee, doesn't that sound nice?





http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in-cover-up-of-manifestly-provable-population-control-plan.html

Listed below is a compendium of quotes from elitists who have time and again expressed their intent to see humanity culled by 80 per cent or more. Some come from the progenitors of the eugenicist movement and others from elitists and organizations who are still very much active and in positions of influence.

“Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international superagency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated.”
John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

“The resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
 Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it.”
 Jacques Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

“I believe that human overpopulation is the fundamental problem on Earth Today” [and] “We humans have become a disease, the Humanpox.”
 Dave Foreman, Sierra Club, co founder of Earth First!

“We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”
 Margaret Sanger

“MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE”
 Anonymously commissioned Georgia Guidestones

“Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind”
 Theodore Roosevelt

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
 Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal”
 Ted Turner, founder of CNN.

“And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”
 The Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, p. 60, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz

“Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.”
 David Rockefeller Banker, Honorary director of Council on Foreign Relations, honorary chairman of Bilderberg Group & founder of Trilateral Commission. Member of Bohemian Club, praising Chairman Mao, whose policies killed at least 30 million people.

“Every one of you who gets to survive has to bury nine.”
 Eric Pianka

“[Disease] will control the scourge of humanity,”
 Eric Pianka

“I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others, which, one must suppose, opponents of birth control would prefer. War, as I remarked a moment ago, has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. There would be nothing in this to offend the consciences of the devout or to restrain the ambitions of nationalists. The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people’s.”
Bertrand Russell (1872-1970), Philosopher

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
 Margaret Sanger

“Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need … We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock.”
 Margaret Sanger

“Eugenics is… the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.”
 Margaret Sanger

“The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many”
 Sir James Lovelock

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
 Dave Foreman, US environmentalist and co-founder of the environmental movement Earth First!

“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
Christopher Manes, Earth First!

“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to itizens chosen for childbearing.”
 David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

“I wish very much that the wrong people could be prevented entirely from breeding”
 Theodore Roosevelt

“The Puerto Ricans are the dirtiest, laziest, most dangerous and theivish race of men ever inhabiting this sphere… I have done my best to further the process of extermination by killing off eight and transplanting cancer into several more.”
 Dr Cornelius Rhoads (1898-1959) | Rockefeller Institute, Rhoads also headed two large chemical warfare projects, had a seat on the AEC (Atomic Energy Commission), and he headed the Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research

“I have studied with great interest,” he told a fellow Nazi, “the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock.”
 Adolf Hitler

“While we were pussyfooting around…the Germans were calling a spade a spade.”
 Whitney, executive secretary of the American Eugenics Society, declared of Nazism

(referring to sterilizations) “The Germans are beating us at our own game.”
 Joseph DeJarnette, superintendent of Virginia’s Western State Hospital, 1934

“From an historical point of view, the first method which presents itself is execution . . . Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated.” “Applied Eugenics” also devoted a chapter to “Lethal Selection,” which operated “through the destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or bacteria, or by bodily deficiency.”
 In 1918, Dr. Paul Popenoe, the Army venereal disease specialist during World War I, co-wrote the widely used textbook, “Applied Eugenics”

“Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague.”
 Thomas Malthus

“Englishmen Francis Galton to describe the “science” of bettering human stock and the elimination of unwanted characteristics… and individuals. Galton proposed societal intervention for the furtherance of “racial quality,” maintaining that “Jews are specialized for a parasitical existence upon other nations” and that “except by sterilization I cannot yet see any way of checking the produce of the unfit who are allowed their liberty and are below the reach of moral control.”
 Francis Galton

“The Aids epidemic, rather than being a scourge, is a welcome development in the inevitable reduction of human population… If it didn’t exist, radical environmentalists would have to invent [it].”
 Dave Foreman, the founder of the environmental group EARTH FIRST!

Francis Crick, who together with James Watson is credited with the groundbreaking discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA, declared at a conference shortly after receiving the Nobel Prize that the “reproductive autonomy” of human beings could not be tolerated in the future. Among other things, Crick suggested the idea of adding a chemical to public water supplies, that would make men and women sterile; only those who qualified for a “license” to produce children, would be given an antidote drug.

“We have to take away from humans in the long run their reproductive autonomy as the only way to guarantee the advancement of mankind.”
 Francis Crick

Alexander Graham Bell advocated passing laws (with success in some states) for compulsory sterilization of people deemed to be, as Bell called them, a “defective variety of the human race.”

“If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it.”
 Bertrand Russell, “The Scientific Outlook”, 1931

“The first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involves the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size.”
 Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb





People losing their lives on 9-11-2001 meant nothing to these people (the NWO). In fact it serves their purpose. They want more 9-11s not less. They want more WAR, not less. WAR is about population control and big-business. These are 2 things they are very much into.



But how will a good deal of people respond including some here on ST?


Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:28pm PT
The over-population concern that I'm referring to is from ecologists, not politicians, social elitists or racists.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
The over-population concern that I'm referring to is from ecologists, not politicians, social elitists or racists.



Mimi,

Oh you mean this biologist/ecologist, my bad?:


http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in-cover-up-of-manifestly-provable-population-control-plan.html

Genocidal Population Reduction Programs Embraced By Academia

One such individual who embraces the notion that humans are a virus that should be wiped out en masse for the good of mother earth is Dr. Eric R. Pianka, an American biologist based at the University of Texas in Austin.


Dr Erik Pianka, the American biologist who advocated the mass genocide of 90% of the human race and was applauded by his peers.

During a speech to the Texas Academy of Science in March 2006, Pianka advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the world’s population through the airborne ebola virus. The reaction from scores of top scientists and professors in attendance was not one of shock or revulsion – they stood and applauded Pianka’s call for mass genocide.

Pianka’s speech was ordered to be kept off the record before it began as cameras were turned away and hundreds of students, scientists and professors sat in attendance.

Saying the public was not ready to hear the information presented, Pianka began by exclaiming, “We’re no better than bacteria!”, as he jumped into a doomsday malthusian rant about overpopulation destroying the earth.

Standing in front of a slide of human skulls, Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his preferred method of exterminating the necessary 90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of its faster kill period. Ebola victims suffer the most tortuous deaths imaginable as the virus kills by liquefying the internal organs. The body literally dissolves as the victim writhes in pain bleeding from every orifice.



Pianka then cited the Peak Oil fraud as another reason to initiate global genocide. “And the fossil fuels are running out,” he said, “so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.”

Later, the scientist welcomed the potential devastation of the avian flu virus and spoke glowingly of China’s enforced one child policy, before zestfully commenting, “We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.”

At the end of Pianka’s speech the audience erupted not to a chorus of boos and hisses but to a raucous reception of applause and cheers as audience members clambered to get close to the scientist to ask him follow up questions. Pianka was later presented with a distinguished scientist award by the Academy. Pianka is no crackpot. He has given lectures to prestigious universities worldwide.

Indeed, the notion that the earth’s population needs to be drastically reduced is a belief shared almost unanimously by academics across the western hemisphere.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:33pm PT
What NWO?
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:34pm PT
You must love this one Klimmer. One of my favorites. Did you see that OBL is alive and well in Iran? And his Egyptian surgeon.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
This NWO:




Scary. Coming to a nation you reside in -- very soon.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
That's not a NWO. Sorry.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
NWO = Bilderberg's = Foreign Council = G20 , etc. etc.



New World Order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory);



It does exist. They do have an agenda.

In fact #1 would be:

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.


They are working on it. A false-flag here, a pre-emptive WAR there, a serious desease way over there etc.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:44pm PT

Genocidal Population Reduction Programs Embraced By Academia

That's one ecologist. Not "Academia."
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
No, you would respect and acknowledge this man's work. I get his newsletter and it is very progressive from a scientific standpoint. I am very pessimistic about correcting the over population problem anytime soon. He makes it clear how there is nearly zero discussion of this issue on most any level.

http://www.rossmccluney.com/
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
He makes it clear how there is nearly zero discussion of this issue on most any level.

So true--sadly.
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
The concept of any population of organisms becoming extinct if its growth rate drops below 1% is scary since that is what the human pop is supposed to be doing. But then we have the other side screaming about over-population. What gives?
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
I've heard that too.

Immigration is expected to keep US population growing.
Mimi

climber
Jun 30, 2010 - 11:27pm PT
From what I've seen, over-population is a cultural phenom. I think that is what scares some people. Religion and politics are driving increased fecundity for social gain.
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