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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:47am PT
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This is retarded.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:50am PT
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No dirtbag, not retarded. Just facts and gut level feelings playing out so people can make good, solid decisions based on both. Thanks Ed H. for your offering of sense and sensibility. I am still so far a non player in the injection "site". :D lynne
BIG EDIT: Ed, I sure wish you and Dan could have gotten to meet one another. I know you would have been friends....so many ideas and thoughts and areas of the brain to explore and discover. So much of life to live, climbs to do, geography to embrace as well as adventures and just loving the life this planet has to offer.....new discoveries just waiting for a modern day Gallileo or Michelangelo. Colors, form, philo.....life is above all good. Peace, lynne
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:52am PT
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I asked my mother about flu shots. She has taken one every year for the last 38 years. Since 1971. Has not missed a year yet. It has caused her to lose muscle strength, become arthritic and she walks a tad unbalanced. She still cooks Sunday diner for all her family, up to 10-12 people, and she does all the dishes herself. She is also still driving herself all over town and lives unassisted in a big house which she cleans by herself. We are not sure how much longer she can do this as the flu shots are decreasing her flexibility and causing her to age and look old. Twice she has fallen over due to this lose of balance which the flu shots have caused. Shes currently 87 years old and it's looking like she may not have 10 more years if she keeps on with these damn flu shots. This is true BTW, every year since 1971 she has had what ever flu shot the government (CDC) wants to shoot her with....it's genocide I tell ya. Genocide.
Like Ed says: lets see if you still choose to not get vaccinated when all your loved ones are dying around you. 1918 wasn't that long ago. You really think that scientists are that screwed up? I do think that the info wars link was pretty well spoken though. It sounds' like she just wants folks to be able to freely chose to take it - or not.
Jane though, "Vaccine genocide"? WTF? Bring some proof, all she has is lip right now. I will confess I could only listen to the first Jane video, and not too closely at that. Too much lip and opinion with no facts. You have proof? That is, beside lip and opinion? Post it...cause I didn't see jack or sh#t in your links, while I do see in front of me a woman suffering from flu shots every years since 1971. AND the damn things must be messing up her hip too, had to have that replaced when was like 69 years old.
There's your proof!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:54am PT
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No Lynne, just more paranoia BS from klimmer.
"Purposeful Depopulation"
Sorry, but retarded is an accurate characterization.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2009 - 01:05am PT
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There is no arguement. Vaccines do work. And true and real Vaccines are a very very good thing. We owe our lives to them.
But this is different. Something has significantly changed. You are assuming there is no ill intent now, that things are the way they used to be. Things are very different now. There is extreme evil intent in the World today. False flag operations abound. There are hidden dark agendas at very high levels.
Ask yourself why Jane has brought a lawsuit against Baxter and why she is saying what she is saying. Making and administering Vaccines that are live is deadly, and they are meant to kill not save lives. Forcing Vaccines and arresting people that refuse, is police state, NWO game play.
Swine Flu has the hallmarks of being created and released. Those who would do such a thing would also be game to administer live vaccines to make it go pandemic.
Too many people who are in the know are coming out and saying so. We are living in the end times for sure. The good book says the evil we would face near the end would get a whole lot worse. Well, it is happening.
http://www.theflucase.com/
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:05am PT
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Take the vaccine wars way down to the bottom most level of
1) Why do we need to do this ? Who benefits most ? What are the proven numbers from the past 10 years as far as people innoculated for the flu.
2) What is the vaccine specifically composed of and how will it affect our small children, as well as the elderly. Side effects that may have an impact on the young peoples future.
3)How will this affect our bodies in the future in fighting off other flu's.
4) If this is a virus, there is no innoculation against a virus.
Just a few questions. I used to be a follower. Now I ask questions. I have been in the pharmacy businesss for 2o years. I repeat....I ask questions. Don't assume anything they tell you is real Beta.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:08am PT
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check out this article dated Jan 2004 ... swine flu was genetically engineered by the CDC and experimentally used in pigs:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will soon launch experiments designed to combine the H5N1 virus and human flu viruses and then see how the resulting hybrids affect animals. The goal is to assess the chances that such a "reassortant" virus will emerge and how dangerous it might be.
CDC officials confirmed the plans for the research as described recently in media reports, particularly in a Canadian Press (CP) story.
here's the link: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/jan1404hybrids.html
and another one: CDC announces plans for animal testing of reassortant virus also dated 2004
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1104186283991_7/?hub=Health
and an article about the huge factory farm that was the site of the swine flu outbreaks in Mexico this year.. With what were these pigs innoculated ???? CDC swine flu experiment?
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-25-swine-flu-smithfield/
Welcome to the USA.. no swine flu vaccine for me either even though my employer may try to insist, as I'm an Rn assigned to the flu clinic this season!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:09am PT
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Lynne,
Dan and I have met,
through you...
it is easy to regret not having the chance to actually have met him in life. But it would be more regretful to have continued to have been unaware of either of you. It is a small consolation, but not insignificant.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:34am PT
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Ed, you may not have been in agreement with the spectrum of thought content for the variety of not only specialized, but important topics in your dialogues together....but the key thing, really the most important .... you would have been iron sharpening iron. Thought provoking and producing more and more information and clarity to some topics important to planet living. Jess saying.
Thanks for your thought. Special to my heart. Lynnie
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
A survey where 68% preferred this Fuca over others
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:38am PT
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I'm really getting sick-and-tired of crackheads.
I'm waaaaaay out in the liberal field--call me a socialist and see if I care--but puh-leeeeze, conspiracy lefty-truthist or righty-birthist/death-panelist/socialism-takeoverist theories just sap the fvck out of any effort to deal with real issues.
Get a FVCKIN' GRIP people!!!! If we aren't with you, maybe we're not part of the conspiracy, maybe YOU HAVE MADE UP YOUR MIND AND CAN NO LONGER PROCESS ANY INFORMATION THAT DIFFERS WITH THAT INTERPRETATION--step away from the fvckin' crackpipe!
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:40am PT
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scared ya , huh
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
A survey where 68% preferred this Fuca over others
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:41am PT
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oy vey
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:43am PT
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1. The humans are guessing and experimenting, by design.
2. The current human population is not sustainable. It will greatly reduce as some time, probably with a series of events, perhaps starting soon.
3. It is a hazardous world.
4. Wisdom suggests and favors individual free choice. The net result is the most efficient advance of the greatest knowledge.
5. Ignorant people (government dolts) use force, and fundamentally flawed single conclusions for diverse humans, the common process for the greatest damage to people.
6. The balance is perfect in all things. The seeming advantage of vaccinations for problem A, creates problem B. Fools suggest advantages without disadvantages. The mercury content of most flu shots significantly adds to the other accumulative attacks on the immune system that kills people sooner.
The object is not to live the longest, but to learn the most knowledge, by design of the human mind.
Actively defend climber rights, and all human rights, from the idiot central planners of government and their unquestioning supporters. If you think government dolts are not idiots, notice that Obama adopted all of Bush's doomed policies and presidential ego gratification wars, printed more worthless (doomed) paper dollars in a few months, than Bush did in eight years, and increased the government Police State activities against the American citizens, etceteras. I and many others easily predicted it. FOOLS thought they were voting for change in each of the elections.
Enjoy the show.
DougBuchanan.com
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:44am PT
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With a healthy immune system and adequate doses of vitamin C and E, you don't need a shot.
Just be sure to load up on C and E at the first symptoms of ANY, ANY flu virus. Gone in 2 days, maybe 3.
I am a conspiracy nut sometimes, but this thing can be killed with vitamins, treat it quick and early. I'm really reluctant to let doc pump an obscure virus into my 16 month old too.
I've never had a flu shot, never will. Fight the virus yourself, it'll make you stronger.
Strange times indeed, most peculiar momma!
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
A survey where 68% preferred this Fuca over others
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:47am PT
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Oh, no, Doug is back, look what you hath wrought . . .
ANY, ANY flu virus. Gone in 2 days, maybe 3.
Spanish flu maybe?
Calling Dr. bluering . . .
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:50am PT
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Even Dr. F. might have difficulty holding Doug B at bay.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 02:05am PT
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I have to agree with Doug Buchanan's post, except the his last line ....
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 12, 2009 - 02:23am PT
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hey there all, say, just stopped in for a minute, here, just to see how everyone was doing on this...
say, i just saw doug post... hadn't seen you for awhile doug, was hoping you were okay.... god bless, and good evening to you...
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mason805
Trad climber
East Bay, CA
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Sep 12, 2009 - 03:43am PT
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Uh ... yea
If fear is the driving factor in any of my decisions, I'd rather stick a bullet in my head than a "vaccine" designed to save my life.
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