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jstan
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Aug 14, 2009 - 05:38pm PT
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Visitation minutes per square foot are actually very high in bathrooms. Limitation to one's range is important in defining the area. This is most evident at urinals. Males are apparently blessed with an entirely unsupported level of optimism.
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All my life people have been telling me I should take it on the road. Gets pretty discouraging after awhile.
I can't discuss the status of women's bathrooms. In the early seventies I did go into the women's bathroom in C4 to perform an inspection, but encountered certain obstacles.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 14, 2009 - 05:42pm PT
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Limitation to one's range is important in defining the area. This is most evident at urinals.
Especially the women's.
I'll go to Tami's car now. Apparently she keeps nice things to drink there.
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Ed Bannister
Mountain climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 14, 2009 - 07:13pm PT
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National Forest employees tell a "joke"
know how to ruin a beautiful place??
Make it a National Park.
Think how well preserved the high Uintahs are, or Wind Rivers,
or Mineral King... make it a Nat. Park? please no.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Aug 14, 2009 - 07:35pm PT
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I agree, its just a learned bad habit.
Just like NOT using blinkers when driving.
Don't get me started!
> > > > > >
hard right
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Aug 14, 2009 - 07:43pm PT
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A little far afield from where most of the board lives - but if you have ever gone through the Smokey Mountains you will experience a level of litter that rivals the dumps of Tijuana.
Forget microtrash - we're talking white trash in all it's glory!
Sofas, washing machines, cars, dead bodies - them boys in da South go big when they go outdoors.
Opining about litter in general - I used to think it was just disrespect but that implies forethought. A possible truer reality is that people are so used to having their messes cleaned up by others that tossing crap on the ground is first nature to many.
Most city and suburban dwellers have weekly street sweeping service for the crap their gardener blows into the street and faceless volunteers who clean the sides of the freeways for the junk they toss out their car window.
So what's the big deal about some stuff tossed alongside some park trail? Afterall, someone will surely pick up that stuff too!
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
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That is a good point Khanom. It would be nice if litter was not discarded anywhere. Jstan, that was hilarious.
Ken
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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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Aug 14, 2009 - 08:21pm PT
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GDavis. Thanks for the Oldman clip. I love that guy!
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aguacaliente
climber
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Aug 14, 2009 - 09:45pm PT
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Mineral King is part of a national park (Sequoia), it's just significantly harder to get to, even by driving, than the more-visited parts. And the people who go there are likely more interested in hiking than in what you can see from the car. I like to think that serious hikers and people with backcountry permits are more educated about not littering than casual sightseers, but perhaps I am optimistic.
The Disney Company wanted to turn Mineral King into a resort but it was saved by preservationists; I have to say I'd rather pick up litter in an NP than to be someplace that got paved over decades ago because it was never preserved from development.
I do think that too many people have magical garbage thinking - they think it just magically disappears into a truck somehow. People put their trash in an overfilled bin that gets knocked over by the wind and blows the garbage all around for days before a truck ever comes ... what did they expect to happen?
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jstan
climber
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Aug 14, 2009 - 09:58pm PT
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Some of my best friends are pigs so Howard's porcine defense is much appreciated.
As Eric points out the desert wind being what it is Von's shopping bags fail to make it to the steppe's only because of the cats claw. I think the most interesting case of this was a balloon borne message I found in the deep desert. Along with an address came a request I send them $10.
When all else fails we seem to fall back upon optimism.
This may be America's fatal flaw.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 14, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
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Hey, birthday girl, my party brought all of it's trash
down, except those nasty bags of poo thrown in the holes
in the glacier. . .
touche'
:-)
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jstan
climber
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Aug 15, 2009 - 12:23am PT
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Yes I feel strongly about littering but not due to the mess. The mess is easy to fix. But that failing suggests deeper and much more serious problems.
Those problems can take years to fix and for so long as I am tied in emotional knots it is best if I do not do or say anything.
Emotion makes you helpless.
Edit:
IMO Yosemite is the best place in the world. You can't pick something up in Yosemite without five people watching you.
Edit2:
Everest is going to require modifications to an Erickson Sky Crane. It won't have to do a lot of repeated climbing so the weight of fuel can be cut back. The chopper can just stay at 30,000 feet, travel laterally, and drop their loads down to 10,000 feet from that altitude. Modifications to that profile will depend ultimately on performance curves. Rotor velocity will have to be increased, special alloys created for the blades, and GVW reduced somewhat. I would think. I am not smart but the lower air density at 30,000 feet should reduce the power needed to reach higher blade velocities below what you might otherwise expect. The Pratt and Whitneys may need a boost to their turbocharging. They will literally have to suck a hole in the atmosphere.
Exotic fuels containing oxidants are a possibility.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2009 - 12:32am PT
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Where's the dirtiest place in the world? Should we start there?
Ken
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Aug 15, 2009 - 12:33am PT
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I think about the South Col, Everest, sometimes.
Now I ain't goin' there, mind you, BUT....have you seen pics of that place?
THIS is the legacy of the human experiment.
Let's make a dump so high & forbidding that we can't haul that shizz away. WTF???
That's just dumb. Intelligent, civilized beings, indeed.
yarrrr.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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It is our upbringing. How the heck are you going to explain dumping a jug of pee into a toilet? "I collect urine samples for drug testing and have had a busy week".
Ken
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Aug 15, 2009 - 01:12am PT
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Well, It's everywhere.
Humans are junky monkeys. The truckers throw piss jugs on the side of the highway.
Freakin' DUMB monkeys, eh? WTF.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 15, 2009 - 01:17am PT
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To fix the urine dumping I would pick an off ramp leading to a really popular restaurant, query the waitresses as to when their customers come in, and when and where appropriate tell them what the plan is. I would add a few jugs over a week or two until their number really gets noticeable. Then while wearing the hat Kerwin likes, I would pull up in prime time in my semi and load them into my truck. I would do this for a few weeks, all the time making sure the cutest and funniest waitresses know exactly what is going on.
They will solve the problem.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 15, 2009 - 01:17am PT
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Back in the old daze they would just drink the piss in the jugs later. Made em schmart & tough.
Pfffffssstt ..... modern truckers throwing it out the window didn't learn anything.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Aug 15, 2009 - 01:42am PT
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Yarrrrr.
I dunno, ya should pull the hell over & walk around once in a while.
Hey you! STOP. Get out. Walk around. Feels good, huh?
We're ALL in this freakin' RUSH. Well, not ALL, but a lot are.
Help them slow the Hell down. And breathe.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Aug 15, 2009 - 02:14am PT
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My own Mother was appalling to me. When I was a kid she would just throw trash out of the car while we were traveling. Specifically in super market parking lots where she would empty out the trash in the car onto to lot, she would always say, "There are people who's jobs it is to pick up the trash"...shessh....
I vowed as a kid to never follow her example....
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Aug 15, 2009 - 02:16am PT
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THAT's why there's a faceLift, huh?
There HAS to be, or it'll be another South Col.
Just easier to reach. Arrrrrrrgh.
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