Quiet Please! Respecting the crags by quieting down.

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MisterE

Trad climber

One Step Beyond!

May 11, 2009 - 01:37am PT

None of this noise is as bad as Jingy not being able to hear calls on lead cuz he has his headphones on.

wildone

climber

GHOST TOWN

May 11, 2009 - 07:16am PT

What happened to not being whiny little passive aggressive bitches when something is annoying you? Is something annoying you? Than DO something about it. I swear, P/A is becoming epidemic in this country. I thought climbing taught you self reliance...you know, the sandwich ain't gonna make itself...
If you didn't SAY something to them, then you can't complain about it.
I've been in "that" party before, and been asked to tone it down, and have complied, not because we were in the wrong, but because the person asking seemed cool enough about it. I've also requested it a little more quiet, with little success. But hey, at least I tried.

mcreel

climber

Barcelona, Spain

May 11, 2009 - 07:44am PT

Isn't Phantom Spires a great place? Too bad you had to suffer the noise pollution.

I guess the only times I have really given other climbers a hard time for their social behavior has been when they drop rocks in my vicinity. I sure have been annoyed by loud music or obnoxious posses a number of times, though.

Cigarette butts and poorly buried sh#t are also problems.

Jingy

Social climber

Flatland, Ca

May 11, 2009 - 11:30am PT

Swami - I think the nature of your irritation is more that the yelling, or "diatribe" was something that upset your girlfriend... and that... in turn, upset you.

Don't let that single moment ruin anything about the day climbing with her. And don't let her dwell on it either. If she does she may start looking for all the bad thing that upset her instead of looking for all the other, multitudes of reasons why this is your passion, and why you love to climb.

Remember, all the yelling does nothing toward helping those that are climbing get up the route they are on... But they are but little glimpses into the phsycology of the person yelling out. I mean... when's the last time your pre-climb imaginings went like this "Grab start holds, step on that hold, reach there, clip, grunt (out loud), step there, backstep, squeel (like a ninny), clip, reach into bucket, shout (big who-ha).... )

That's just not any part of your pre-climb visualizations, never, and so, I say it helps nothing.

There's more to climbing than that. And its up to you to accept the good parts with the bad. I personally don't mind when people yell up encouragements, but I also know that there is encouragement and then there is people flat being stupid if for no other reason than to hear themselves being stupit!!!

I hope your girl makes it into your world and you both have many adventures together.

Cheers

Mister E - True!! With me, there is no reason to yell up.... I'm in my own little worls, listening to the soundtrack of my life... And I'm not pulling the headphones off for anything like encouragements. LOL
Fact is, yelling does nothing toward helping me make a move, or perform better on the rock.

Prod

Trad climber

A place w/o Avitars apparently

May 11, 2009 - 01:26pm PT

You gotta learn to roll with the flow. For sure at a clip up I expect no less than this type of behavior. I'd be a little bummed if I hiked in 3 hours to some remote route, but not so much so that I'd let it ruin my day.

Prod.

Nefarius

Big Wall climber

Fresno

May 11, 2009 - 02:12pm PT

hahaha This thread is stoooopid.

klk

Trad climber

cali

May 11, 2009 - 02:25pm PT

early 1980s, suicide rock, near flower. we're at the base, racking up, and i'm swearing a blue streak over some clusterf*#k at work. lots of other people around, the usual crowd up on routes, etc.

some guy with his wife gets all righteous and starts yelling at me for using profanity. i respond appropriately. we're plenty loud, so everyone at the crag hears the exchange.

and then, lightly at first but with increasing vigor, from each and every route in the vicinity, it begins to rain:

"F*#k!" "Shit"! "Motherf*#k" "Motherf*#ker!" Sonofabitch"! "Goddamnit"!

It was like a profanity symphony, echoing off the cliff and the trees.

Tim Lawrence

Trad climber

Madrid, Spain

May 11, 2009 - 02:27pm PT

This thread is really funny. It reminds me of an experience I had about a month ago on a multi-pitch route, semi-alpine in nature. Anways, the person on the route next to us arrives at the belay and sets it up and the yells, " I wanna f@#". His follower yells, "I wanna f&%k too". And then he stared to bring up his second. This is repeated for about four or five more pitches. Once we got to the summit, I saw it was somebody I knew. We started chatted about f@#kin nothing and then descended. Was I bothered? Maybe a little. Did it ruin my day? No, it really didn't matter and was actually fairly funny.

Point of the story is if you want quiet, go to a library or go someplace where you can find it. Normally a crag is not the place to find piece and solitude. Don't be stupid enough to expect people to respect your own little self righteous piece of the nature as they have a right to it as well. Be it louder or quieter than you are.

klk

Trad climber

cali

May 11, 2009 - 02:30pm PT

Ten years later, maybe early 1990s, base of Apes Wall at Malibu.

I'm finishing my day traversing. Not many people there-- the sport routes weren't in yet. Bob Kamps is there, probably in his 70s at that point, still buff, working the traverse.

Up walks Mike---- with his bubba and black lycra tights. He proceeds to turn it on and crank up the Sex Pistols loud enough to be heard back in Hollywood. Kamps asks him, politely, to turn it down. Mike gets all aggro and self-righteous, and then you can see Kamps getting really pissed.

So I start to get up and go over and intervene, but then I think, wait a minute: There's a really good chance I'm going to get to see Bob kick grommet ass!

But no, wisdom eventually prevailed, and M turned the volume down.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Redlands

May 11, 2009 - 02:38pm PT

You are free to tell me to STFU and quiet down if I'm too loud for your tastes when I'm climbing. It's ok.

And I'm free to tell you: Chingate, pendejo. Chupa mi huevos.

Chris2

Trad climber

May 11, 2009 - 02:40pm PT

Tune it out and press on.

Nefarius

Big Wall climber

Fresno

May 11, 2009 - 02:43pm PT

"And I'm free to tell you: Chingate, pendejo. Chupa mi huevos. "

hahaha Which is usually how self-righteous as#@&%es are/should be greeted.

About the only time I've gotten aggro at a crag was with people shooting in my general direction, while I was climbing. This was at Wishon, and the guys were shooting in between campgrounds, also right next to a road. Finally walked over and told them that other than them being flaming idiots, that what they were doing was illegal and that if it didn't stop, I'd pack up and go find a ranger to come chat with them. They stopped.

Scared Silly

Trad climber

May 11, 2009 - 02:54pm PT

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=225870&msg=226048#msg226048

noshoesnoshirt

climber

dangling off a wind turbine in a town near you

May 11, 2009 - 02:54pm PT

A story from Lake Summersville, WV.

I was out there years ago with two other unnamed climbers when we came upon a group of young jarheads working some 5.8 on TR. They had a guy on the route who was obviously inexperienced and having some real problems with technique. Their answer was to yell encouraging man-up type statements at him. I have no problem with this; I sometimes resort to calling partners "shoolgirls" as a form of motivation, plus they were around a corner from any other groups and seemed to be having a good time.
We had to bust out though, when one of the guys offered this advice to his fellow marine:

"LOAD YOUR FEET UP LIKE GUNS AND FIRE THEM!!!!!"

I'll admit my friends and I were slightly, errr, altered at that point, and we thought this was about the funniest thing we had ever heard.

We didn't comment at the time 'cause these guys were doing their own thing, but for months, even years, afterward, when I climb with my old friends we do our slightly altered imitation:

"LOAD YOUR FEET UP LIKE HAPPY LITTLE BUNNIES AND FIRE THEM!!!"

drljefe

climber

Old Pueblo, AZ

May 11, 2009 - 02:59pm PT

If someone's bugging me that much I usually just pack it up and scram- like that one time in the Wind Rivers when a dude showed up with his screaming newborn and camped 50 feet away.
Luckily I was dunzo anyway.

GhoulweJ

Trad climber

Sacramento, CA

May 11, 2009 - 03:06pm PT

There is no way to set "conduct standards" that will ensure we enjoy climbing by all other parties.

Those bozos that were yelling may have been trying to get you to leave the area, you just never know.

Me, I don't mind banter, but I do mind crying babies, and whining barking dogs that are freaking out because their owner just climbed away from them (FYI: most dogs do not enjoy this).

I just go climb elsewhere... I once turned around and headed back to the car at Spires because I looked around from the trail and said to my wife "I did not come here to be at the gym".

Prod

Trad climber

A place w/o Avitars apparently

May 11, 2009 - 03:33pm PT

I was at Vedavoo with Tar and Hankster in 92+/-? Hank was rocking out to Millie Vanillie, singing loudly while firing some warm up thingy. Some guy nearby politely asked if we'd turn the boom box off so Roy obliged. Too bad there was no switch on Caylor though.

Prod.

PS, I later barfed on route in a squeeze chimney. This brought great joy to both Roy and Caylor.