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DJS
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:32pm PT
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"There is only one president at a time."
 Barrack Obama
Exactly! Since the individual who currently holds the office has been acting like a puppet dictator for the last 8 years it's nice to see the President Elect organizing his new administration in a transparent way. Bush had an "Office of the President Elect" we just didn't get to hear about it because it was actually called "Hey Cheney we get to do whatever the f*#k we want for four years.. maybe eight."
Organization and planning is seen as arrogance yet starting an illegal war for either global oil domination, revenge for an assassination attempt on your father, or corporate profit is seen as Patriotism.
Such brilliant forward thinking... bitter anyone?
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:34pm PT
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Hey dirt,
Can you point out where that Gov. Web page (explaining the "Office of President Elect") delineates out the actual powers this office has? I couldn't find it.
Other than getting ready for the Presidency, he has none.
You seem to think he has exercised powers he shouldn't. If so, please enlighten us.
And, since Obama gave up his Senate seat already he has virtually no power. If he really wanted to help he could have kept his Senate seat and used the constitution to help with any number of the crises going on here. Yes, he should have kept his seat and lead the Senate to victory.
Unfortunately, he didn't.
So he should juggle being a US Senator and handling the Presidential transistion?
I guess he would really have to be a Messiah.
Now instead, he has his butt caught up in a scandle.
What Scandal?
Oh boy, Chicagoland at it's best.
Get your popcorn boys and girls
So you are rooting for your future President to be in some kind of criminal mess?
Nice.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:39pm PT
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But no picture of any previous President Elect *humble* enough to stand in front of the *seal*?
Obama's the first.
Nothing wrong with it, but it ain't "humble", like HiDesertDJ would like us to believe.
The *duties* of our elected Federal officials are enumerated in The Constitution.
Where in The Constitution are the "duties" of the President-Elect described?
If Obama's assigning "duties" to himself, that supersedes The Constitution, and it's not *humble*.
What powers has he exercised that are unconstiutional, Chaz? I've heard him announce nominations and his policy priorities.
What's unconstitional or un-humble about that?
And he is the President-elect, last I checked.
He decided, since we are in the midst of two wars and a recession, to accelerate the nomimating process to get the government positions filled faster than his predecessors. I'm trying to figure out why you guys are bashing him for this and I'm not seeing it.
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Binks
Social climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:07pm PT
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Better a fairy tale than the sorry-ass tale of Bush's utter incompetence that has completely wrecked this country. You folks are in the doghouse for a long time for that one.
The GOP as it was is dead. It will have to become something new to win. My prediction is that it will continue along its sorry ways to sheer oblivion.
Disclaimer: the Democrats too will also have to change or go extinct as well.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:17pm PT
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there has been an official, federally-funded presidential transition office for many years, but the "office of the president elect" does not exist except on those "humble" presidential-looking seals that are retreads of obama's previous "humble" presidential-looking seals that appeared briefly during the campaign and quickly disappeared after they were mocked in even the msm
now, how "humble" does one have to be to write two, that's TWO, memoirs before reaching age 50?
thus far, i'm fairly impressed with obama, particularly his choices for his defense team, which is definitely right-leaning...and, even though i find his clinton retreads a complete rejection of his "new politics" mantra, they are closer to the center than anything he promised during the campaign..and anything that sends the left into paroxysms is ok by me...but i still believe he's a far-left liberal at heart, and we'll see it soon enough
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maestro8
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Sunnyvale, CA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:23pm PT
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There are no tits or tats in this thread. I am sorely disappointed.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:26pm PT
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lol Skipt. What are you even talking about? I'm just saying don't go around screaming scandal if you can't spell it. I realize that you desperately want Obama to be at the heart of the Governor Of Illinois' problems since that whole Bill Ayers thing didn't work out but come now.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:31pm PT
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Don't cry wolf now conservatives. There might be some actual cause for concern later.
Whining about this "Scandal" where the main wiretapped references to Obama are complaints that he and his people wouldn't offer anything but appreciation is pretty tiny stuff compared to the past 8 years. Don't be baby's. Whatever Obama does to straighten out the country will certainly piss you off far worse.
and the same for the transition, which even conservatives are mostly lauding for it's fact and merit based approach. Noam Choamsky is not the new director of some cabinet post.
Everything we've seen from Obama so far speaks of wisdom and competance. If anything, liberals are the most pissed since some of the experienced hands being appointed aren't left enough for many. Count your blessings. The GOP just ran the country into the sewer for 8 years and the ill effects are still waiting to putrefy and stink.
The humility should belong to those who brought us to this, not to those trying to rescue us
peace
Karl
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Binks
Social climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:56pm PT
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"but i still believe he's a far-left liberal at heart, and we'll see it soon enough "
His defense team leans right, but he still must somehow be "far left". Actions speak louder than words, unless you're a fan of Bush.
I think what the "far right" fears the most is that he isn't "far left" at all. They fear that he is center-right on many issues and is extremely competent and that they can't frame the debate with what Colin Powell so aptly called the politics of polarization anymore. Because really, what else does the far right have except the politics of division? They lack the most important quality: demonstrable competence to govern.
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apogee
climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 03:30pm PT
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"...thus far, i'm fairly impressed with obama, particularly his choices... they are closer to the center than anything he promised during the campaign."
Hmm. If I remember correctly, Obama got a lot of criticism for not having enough content in his positions- his speeches were filled with airy rhetoric. I really can't remember much of any kind of 'far left' (whatever the hell that is) positions, unless you want to count healthcare, which about 85% of Americans believe needs to happen.
All of this O-bashing, and the guy hasn't even started the job! It would seem that no matter what he does, no matter who he chooses for his cabinet, no matter what his approval rating, there are going to be a bunch of people (many of them here on ST) who will find fault with him, expecting him to fail, and relishing the moment when he does. How exactly does that attitude solve the monumental mess that this country is in?
Regardless of whether there is an official 'office of the President Elect', the fact that Obama is taking as action as his status allows should be a positive attribute. Instead, this is criticized for being 'elitist' and assuming more power than he actually has. Would you prefer that he do little or nothing at all to prepare? (This would allow you to truly crucify him for not taking the problem seriously.)
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 03:51pm PT
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dear god...
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 12, 2008 - 03:54pm PT
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from the article linked by the original OP...such a nice turn of phrase huh?
"this cornucopia of corrupt crapulence. . . . But, there is a nice moral to the story..."
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:10pm PT
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""What's so great about this if that he did like all other President-elects did and stayed relatively quiet until January then you guys would be all "Where is Obama! So much for leadership when his country needs him." Heh. ""
LOL, struck squarely on the head! End of story.
Just wait til Obama actually gets some GOOD stuff done, man the steam coming out of these right wing nuts ears will qualify as a new alternative energy source!
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:21pm PT
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Here's my prediction for the next few years:
Liberal Obama:
-Energy/Environment policy
-Government Spending (bail out related stuff)
Somewhat Liberal Obama:
-Health Care (not sure it will go as far as some suspect/fear/hope)
Moderate Obama:
-Foreign Policy
-Defense Spending
-Taxes and other financial policies (he abandoned his plan to raise taxes on for the next years on $250,000 + incomes)
What do you guys think?
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:31pm PT
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My prediction: unwinnable war in afghanistan (that is what brought the U.S.S.R to its knees, no?) escalates, Pakistan and India go at it, destabilizing an already unstable region. The Big 3 go belly-up (it is after all a free market economy and sh#t happens, no government interference thank you very much), and the dollar devalues until its worth less than monopoly money. I'd hate to be pres in this time.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:31pm PT
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Why not ask it after the election?
Things have changed quite a lot in the last few months, appointments have been made, etc. Now seems like as good of a time as any. A lot of his proposals he will stick to, and a lot he won't.
I don't expect him to do exactly what he said he would do last summer, so what will he do?
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:38pm PT
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My wild assed guesses are just that--wild assed guesses. No one knows, not even Obama, what exactly he will be doing 2-3 years from now.
These are pretty turbulent times, so buckle up and hang on to your loved ones.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:40pm PT
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Crooked politicians are scum, I don't care if they are Republicans or Democrats. Maybe Blagojevich and Senator Ted Stevens can be cellmates.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 06:41pm PT
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dirt,
I think you're pretty much on target. Of course it helps to know his intended appointments.
Even though I voted for McCain (and would do so again), I think Obama has acted appropriately to this point. Of course, I don't agree with his proposed environmental or health care policies (or, if he gets the chance, tax increases), but I think he has a legitimate mandate to try to bring those changes about.
John
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 12, 2008 - 08:28pm PT
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If I thought Obama was far-left, I wouldn't have voted for him. I have to laugh at his far-left people who are already shocked and disappointed. What were they thinking?
Obama's hero is Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln was a pragmatic Republican.
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