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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 11, 2008 - 02:18pm PT
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LEB- Again this stuff is brought to light. ACORN is another weak attempt to associate Obama with other people who allegedly did things that HE DIDN'T HIMSELF DO. It's the same sh#t different day. Your argument is basically "well if this shitpile doesn't work they will throw other shitpiles at him." What you are missing is that it isn't the shitpiles that aren't working it's that people are THROWING THEM.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 11, 2008 - 02:31pm PT
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"JuanDeFuca's head shrinks 6 points!"
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 11, 2008 - 03:01pm PT
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Way back up there, Sis makes a good point, the demos have squandered bigger advantages than this, even without Diehbold.
Don't forget to vote!
Michelle O is gonna be the coolest first lady, ever.
"Harold Stassen" -nice, Woody!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 11, 2008 - 03:06pm PT
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"One silver lining in all of this is that Obama simply will not have all the funds he needed for his planned widespread goodies and giveaways. The current financial crisis will pre-empt him to some degree out of his plans. That being said, the damage he will wrought will be limited.
As an addendum: those who were voting for Obama expecting said goodies will inevitably become bitter and disappointed when the goods do not come through. Despite his best intentions, the cookie jar is now empty."
Ah, perhaps you've hit on something bigger than you have realized. you have made the case for deliberately tanking the economy, to hamstring the incoming President. Who was in a position to do this? Only the incumbent party, and only the oligarchs.
Would Republicans be so bad as to do this intentionally?
Remember the Rush strategy: have repubs vote for Hillary, because it would be so bad for the country that the next election Repubs would win easily.
Note that! Do something that would deliberately be bad for the country, for the purpose of obtaining power for the party.
So there is the precident for the strategy.
As bizzare as that sounds, look at the "silver lining" that you find so wonderful: That the entire economy has turned into junk, with many trillions being lost to all of our citizens, so as to prevent those who have the least, getting something from those who have the most....to the tune of a TINY fraction of the amount of money that has been lost for the entire country.
Yeah, great outcome.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 11, 2008 - 03:13pm PT
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"many of us are going to go unwittingly along in this thing for the ride."
-the 'merican way since 1/20/2001!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 11, 2008 - 03:19pm PT
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Obama seems to be a uniter rather than a divider - and the U.S. clearly needs a uniter.
His other large challenge now is to avoid unnecessarily raising expectations. He has a lot of problems to work on, even if working with a Democratic senate and house. Fixing 30 years of Republican incompetence and foolishness is going to take some effort.
And LEB, why did you have to go and mention the "W" word? Now Rokjox will be flipping out.
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Scott Wayland
climber
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Oct 11, 2008 - 04:34pm PT
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Gallup Daily tracking poll: Obama up double digits! McCain eating doggie poo!
Scott
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just passing thru
climber
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Oct 11, 2008 - 05:07pm PT
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McCain should be fighting with passion to win this election—but with each passing day he appears calmer and more confident…and the more curious I become. Is McCain a complete idiot or a calculating player?
Why have I heard two conservative pundits, just in the last week, say this election will decided in the final 72 hours?
Should we expect a *November* surprise?
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Flashlight
climber
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Oct 11, 2008 - 05:18pm PT
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Yeh, he fights like Dole and Bush Sr., I swear he is part of a conspiracy to land Obama in the WH.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 11, 2008 - 05:24pm PT
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"Newflash, High......he represented them as their attorney thus ENABLING them to do what they did. He was a key lynchpin in the action. I mean how blind can you be. "
No LEB I'm sorry but that is not the situation AT ALL. You are either not paying attention or are paying attention to some extremely nefarious sources.
Here are the facts regarding ACORN and Obama:
-Obama was never a community organizer for them, he never trained for them or worked for them in this capacity at all.
-ACORN was NOT part of Project Vote, the voter registration drive that Obama ran in 1992.
-What Obama DID DO was represent them in a legal case alongside the US Dept of Justice against the state of Illinois to enforce federal voting access laws. For his work he received the IVI-IPO Legal Eagle award in 1995.
So you tell me, LEB, who is the one that is blind?
Representing ACORN in one legal action as an outside attorney does not make him in any way connected to ANY actions that ACORN may have been accused of. It's just one more shitpile that Republicans are trying to associate Obama with and it's one more that has no basis in reality or fact.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 11, 2008 - 05:37pm PT
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http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4515218n&tag=centerColumn;centerColumnContent
McCain supporter brings a monkey doll with an Obama sticker on it to a rally. When he realizes that a camera is on him he quietly (and sheepishly) removes the sticker and then gives the monkey doll to a nearby kid.
Also, even though McCain is trying to backpedal in public about the tone of his campaign, he is letting all of his most hateful and outrageous campaign ads keep running and he is actively defending his decision to do so. More "having it both ways" for Senator McCain.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 11, 2008 - 08:20pm PT
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LEB- Link your sources.
Here's mine:
"Mr. Davis said Mr. Obama had worked as Acorn’s lawyer and conducted training events for its leaders. He also noted a payment the Obama campaign made in February to an Acorn affiliate, Citizens Services Inc.
While Mr. Obama did represent Acorn in a lawsuit in 1995, Acorn was on the same side as the Justice Department. The training events involved two hours of work. And the payment to the Acorn affiliate was reported in campaign filings, although they had to be revised because of an error."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11acorn.html?em
In fact that is the ONLY real news source I can find regarding the ACORN-Obama ties that isn't opinion or reporting ON opinion. Nobody provides proof and most of the details provided are regarding ACORN, and then they simply tie in Obama saying things like "he was deeply involved" and "provided training for." They fail to mention what is plainly reported in the Times.
So please feel free to link me to objective sources that have actually looked into this, because beyond the Times I can't find any. Everything is an opinion page or an anti-Obama blog. Unfortunately factcheck.org has not yet looked into this, but I urge you to keep repeating it so that they will.
So TWO HOURS of training. Two hours. Man he's really up to his neck in ACORN isn't he? Hour 1 was probably "how to steal elections" and hour 2 was "how to organize secret Muslim sleeper cells to kill white Americans."
As far as commercials are concerned, it's hard to believe that you don't consider the current filth as bad enough. I mean how much worse can it get beyond Obama is a secret muslim terrorist?
*edit* And it's an OCTOBER surprise LEB. A surprise in November would be meaningless unless it was so horrible and so true that even Dems wouldn't vote for him. Any such thing would have surfaced by now.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Oct 11, 2008 - 08:42pm PT
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personally, I can't stop laughing about the granny incident, "he's an Arab..!"
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 11, 2008 - 09:20pm PT
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Clarification, they asked for sources, of what you had previously pinned up there, not further irrelevant, red herrings.
Why are the repubs offering up McLame for sacrifice like this? I suspect more of a '12 surprise; 'See we peed in the pool so much that the demos couldn't clean it in four years.' Sell it back!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 11, 2008 - 09:23pm PT
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"Lewis Farrakhan (make that MINISTER Farrakhan) referred to Obama as "the Messiah." Does that sort of rhetoric appeal to you also?"
No problem - GWB claims he regularly talks with god. Though he probably should have just talked with his father.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Oct 11, 2008 - 09:53pm PT
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I think he was pointing out the fact that some repubs have a problem with somone calling a canidate "the messiah", and a lot of dems have problems with canidates that dont respect/care about the seperation of church and state. In my oppinion being called something by someone is much less a threat to this country as a whole than somone acting on blind faith(WMD???)
sounds like good logic to me.
question for LEB: Has Obama himself declared he is the messiah?
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Oct 11, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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good one locker!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 11, 2008 - 10:04pm PT
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LEB- Your link doesn't work. I quote RCP all the time...I'm not sure how you think they are a conservative source. It's simply an aggregate of political blogs, articles and polls. AFAIK they don't do any of their own actual reporting.
And you are very clearly blindly following quite a bit, you just think you aren't. Post an actual news source (or three). I tried to find more than just the New York Times article but in 15 minutes I could only find the one.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 11, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
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Sis, don't even try to make a Strawman out of me. I have spoken against the messiah thing. Just trying to paddle our collective life boat a bit farther left, closer to center, away from the backwash.
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