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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Mar 24, 2005 - 06:56pm PT
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While the subject is hammers, does anyone have an old forest mountaineering Molinjar?
Yep. With a full selection of picks.
Also an old Forest Wall hammer, too (non interchangable head). Same shaft as the old, original Lowe Hummingbird (except the Forest shafts were painted blue). Neat-o.
Hmmm...anyone seen the new ACE hammer (proto only)?? Rumor has they aren't going to tool up to go into production as nobody's ponied up the start up tooling costs. Has an angled wood handle (like a real short axe handle), more weight distributed in the head, narrower pick profile. Head is much more...almost triangular in appearance. Still has a cleaner biner hole in the head. Kinda neat.
Hard to beat the ol' A5 hammer!
Brian in SLC
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 24, 2005 - 07:51pm PT
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Has anyone seen the Klym Me Rock Products (stupid name) wall hammer? The Yo Mtn. shop used to sell them but that was a while ago and I think he made just one run… Heavier, square black head, narrow pick, biner hole, longer handle, poor head/handle attachment, etc. I helped design the hammer and have a couple that I have used quite a bit. They work well but loosen up over time. The A5 handle attachment is definitely superior.
I would be interested in helping out with this hammer project and a beak project as well if others are interested. I have a newer design for a beak, based off of the Mud Beaks, that I never had a chance to have produced or sell. It took BD eons to finally come out with larger versions of the Pecker (the medium size is awesome, btw) but I still think there is room for improvement in the normal beak size and one slightly larger. #3 (1/8”) cable should be used instead of the #2 (3/32”) cable currently used, etc., etc….
Will the D5 be close to an exact replica of the A5 or will it be a newer, refined version? I assume that the hammer will eventually be sold in stores or by mail order, requiring a business license and such? Who will run the business? What about liability? Etc………
Sounds like a fun idea but it might get complicated. Maybe with enough people involved, complications will be minor.
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:00pm PT
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ha that is the hammer that looked killer for some corner nailing!!! That square head is cool!
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:10pm PT
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I am in for at least one head, I would probably buy a few if that is what it takes to make this happen.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:15pm PT
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I can help with this project and would be in for a few hammers.
I can help with vendors in Scal.
Rockstar
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2005 - 08:16pm PT
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Gang - thanks for the support. We're looking into some of the legal side of things and collecting quotes for the heads, handles, heat treatment, and the beaks. Currently we would only do another stamping of the existing beak die, not to say we couldn't do more later...
The suggestion has been made that John get a piece of every hammer and that the profit if any go to ASCA or YOSAR or somewhere similar...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2005 - 08:27pm PT
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Klym Me Rock Products - If their hammer was as weird as the cleaning tool of theirs I picked up for Stephane and the Nut Museum in Corsica then it would have to be pretty strange...
Pictures...?
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:28pm PT
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oh it is pretty strange looking... but I thought it looked like it would work really well. I actully want one pretty bad.
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crotch
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:50pm PT
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I haven't worked any construction, Nature. The only tools I'd say I've developed a brand preference for are cams and flow cytometers. Given that everyone loves these things and in the spirit of open source, count me in for 1.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 24, 2005 - 09:02pm PT
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Yeah, that nut tool was pretty weird, for sure. The hammer isn’t really weird at all and I prefer it for drilling over any other hammer. Klaus uses one too. The narrow pick design is good for placing thin heads and accessing deep groves. The A5 hammer is still a cool hammer; this one is just a little different.
Not exactly a hammer picture but it’s all I have right now…
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 09:35pm PT
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was that the nut tool that had like springs in it or something? Klaus had some weird ass nut tool on ebay a while back that did that.
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phillip mike revis
climber
snowbird, ut
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Mar 24, 2005 - 10:32pm PT
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sign me up for a hammer always wanted one but never had the cash flow back then to fork out 90 bones
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 25, 2005 - 12:15am PT
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I am in for one.
I am interested in quoting the beaks. You have a die already and just need the die put in a press? I run a Sheetmetal/Machine Shop with numerous presses up to 110 ton capacity. I am also building a CNC Plasma shape cutting machine. It might prove to be an alternitive method for cutting out beaks. Please send me some prints.
What machining proccesses do you need done to the heads of the hammers? I am interested in quoting these also. Email me for more contact info.
The Mad Bolter said, "When you carry a hammer all the time, everything starts to look like a nail".
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2005 - 04:01am PT
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Bigwalling - Yes, that's the very one. I bought it and now it's in Stephane Pennequin's Nut Museum in Corsica, France...
Minerals - Thanks for the great picture, can sort of see the hammer down below those Lowe/Byrne Ball Nuts and Aliens...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2005 - 04:03am PT
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T Moses,
Those are some great, great offers and we'll definitely have you quote on any relevant work. Would it be easier to just send you a beak? I'd have to get details on the hammer head work, but at the very least a hole needs to be drilled that will accept a carabiner (for a funkness cable). John said doing that eats up drills at a rate of a couple of heads per drill. Beyond that they would need to be heat treated.
Joseph
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Irisharehere
Trad climber
Gunks
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Mar 25, 2005 - 09:37am PT
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I'll take a hammer and a half dozen beaks.....
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jean
Trad climber
Cardiff-by-the-Sea
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Mar 25, 2005 - 09:40am PT
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Bigwalling - that nut tool was called a Yanker. I bought one to retrieve an overcamed BD#1 and still have it. It's way to big to take on every climb, but it's an amazing tool.
-j
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Mar 25, 2005 - 10:52am PT
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I'm in on the hammer, been using an old Chouinard climb axe ( similar to the crag hammer) but the teeth get in the way occasionally. How about a link to another page for hammer orders and let people put their money where there mouth is... 50 orders at $100.00 @ give or take, should be able to get the heads cast. Probably most complete climbing shops would be happy to carry them, but be realistic about making a profit, optimism is great but if it were that easy everyone would do it.
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 25, 2005 - 11:07am PT
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Joseph,
Sorry I don't do heat treating. I shipped my heat treating stuff to Santa Clara Heat Treating but you might find something better down in the Los Angeles area.
Facing the front and drilling the carabiner hole would be no problem. The right coolant and the right drill might solve eating the drill bits. I could also make the tangs. They are made out of stainless? Possibly would be willing to do assembly.
Go ahead and send me a beak. That would be an easier way to prototype them. Are there any modifications that we might want to make?
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deuce4
Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Mar 25, 2005 - 11:30am PT
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You guys on on it.
By the way, I do not want any profit from this, you are on your own! The hammer mold was definitely not included in any "asset sale" I may have made in the past, so it is in effect, de facto public domain. But I will help with any engineering advice as a outside consultant.
IF there is any profit (a big if, it would be a first for a forged climbing hammer), the proceeds going to a non-profit is an awesome idea.
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