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Melissa
Big Wall climber
oakland, ca
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Mar 17, 2005 - 07:24pm PT
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You guys must not be coffee drinkers.
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 17, 2005 - 07:31pm PT
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Never tried this but I know people who swear by it...
Imodium AD!
A couple of those and you won't take a dump for a few days!
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macgyver
Social climber
Oregon, but now in Europe
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Mar 18, 2005 - 07:30am PT
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An excerpt from a trip report about poop tube etiquete.
read full report here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?m=57683#msg57927
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".....PITCH 4
Sharing the ledge with a girl/guy party was totally cool. It however crossed into awkward zone when the girl part of the team (her first big wall) proceeds to ask us how in fact we will take a doo doo. I point to my poop tube and explain the details by going over to the haul bolts and doing my business.
She promptly asks us if she could use our tube once we start climbing. We wait for the look that tells you it is a joke…however…no luck. She is dead serious. She even dares to ask for wet wipes.
So I say that if she uses it…she needs to haul it down and empty it. That’s the rules. At this point she also confirms that when we descend to the base, that our Gatorade we stashed is no longer there. I ask if the birds got to it. Nope. This “bird” decided that she was thirsty after the approach and finished. Again…I waited for a chuckle. Nope. Talk about party foul....
(FURTHER DOWN TRIP REPORT)
Also…after emptying the poop tube at the Church Bowl latrines, I discovered a “second” deposit. I ask my buddy whether he had a go up on the column. He says no way. Well, if I went and he didn’t go…who could it be?
OH MY GOD! Say it ain’t so wall sista’.
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rock on
andrzej
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macgyver
Social climber
Oregon, but now in Europe
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Mar 18, 2005 - 07:39am PT
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BUDGET JOHN FROM FISH
This is the low cost solution but has vent holes...so you get intimate with the bouquet. Not super heavy.
SHORT STACKS
I have seen some people use a short stack tube. It looks like it is at least 8 inches in diameter and maybe 8 inches in height with a screw cap. It sits nicely out of the way under a bag. good for 3-4 big boys. PRobably not so cheap to make since the diameter is pretty serious.
DRY BAG
I have tried the dry bag thing. Like Melissa said...it BREATHES. Never expected it to either. Lightweight...but stinky
ODORS
The best way in my opinion to keep odors to a minimum is double bag and using lots of dry washing powder. A couple of shakes (just like shake and bake) of the poo will give a fine coating. Pre-mix in a little bit of oxiclean/borax and you be golden.
BIGGEST PARTY FOUL
Molding your goods and then stuffing it into the tube and having the paper bag break....
Awesome
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stetind
Social climber
Sweden
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Mar 18, 2005 - 07:46am PT
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Really liked these bags for bigwall use:
http://www.whennaturecalls.com/
They have some enzymes which takes care of the smell. You can actually safely carry a used one in the lid of your pack/haulbag without leaks or smells.
/Erik
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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Mar 18, 2005 - 07:23pm PT
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I think that you could get some of that 8" diameter or larger for free if you are near the valley. They are laying some new sewer pipe so I am sure that if you came across the dumpster that they are pitching all the cut ends from the piping you could get your hands on a free body for your commode. Now the part about sealing the ends.. that might be tricky. The piping looks like a soft grade pvc (black with blue striping.
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Mar 18, 2005 - 08:54pm PT
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I use dry bags. The "Burritos" are freezer ziplocks, with dry portable toilet chemical to help with aroma control. Burritos are then deposited in Reynolds aluminum foil baking bags. The problem with any plastic bag is that thin plastic is readily permeable to the gasses that give burritos their unique bouquet.
Brutus
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Link
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Mar 22, 2005 - 09:32am PT
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I once got paid to write a review of the Metolius waste case, not a bad product, pricey but does a good job... I guess that makes me a professional crapper...
Not sure if someone has mentioned the water bottle method:
Crap in a paper bag, then slit an empty two liter water bottle and stick your bag of business in the bottle. As you move up the wall you'll have more emties to fill as you drink more water. Duct take up the slit, and carry the collection under your haul bag. Don't have to carry an extra container. Careful on lower angle routes (don't want the duct tape to ware off). Back on the ground it's easy to slice off the tops and dump the contents of each bottle into a pit toilet.
-Link
PS: From an "official" perspective (NPS policy), we don't require one specific method. Do whatever works for you as long as it leaves nothing behind (side note: someone did actually get a citation for tossing their crap last summer). Don't try and burn your bags on the summit either (for a variety of reasons), and out of respect for others try not to piss on the route. God, this all makes wall climbing sound like so much fun... :)
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Mike!
Trad climber
Idaho USA
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Remember - the huge clunkie PVC Poop Tubes are NOT esential...
Use a boaters DRY BAG!
Size? A week on the wall or one night?
Before you leave the ground, add a little kitty litter to the bottom of the bag.
As part of your sh#t-tools extras, carry a little plastic bottle of CAT BOX baking soda mix. Sprinkle some in your poo-poo bag after wiping. Tripple bag your dookies (thin grocery store bags are fine, they compress well and you can carry a huge volume of 'em). Keep the air out! It keeps the package small.
Close the DRY BAG properly - Roll the edges down an clip it shut.
Toss this right in the haul bag.
Add coffee grounds as you progress. Mostly, it smells like the cat litter powder.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Apr 10, 2005 - 12:05pm PT
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Y'all must like the smell of crap if you're still using poop tubes, dry bags, or rolling your poo into burritos. The most efficient way I have found is the BIG WALL PAUL METHOD:
1. Poop into a plastic bag (ziplock or grocery bag)
2. Put used TP into same bag
3. Put bag into empty tin can (12 oz can works fine for most- if you take huge dumps you may want to use a 16 or 18 oz can)
4. Fold the lid over the can then duct tape the top
5. Toss in the bottom of the haulbag and forget about it
6. At the base or when you get home just throw the whole can in the trash. Don't even think about removing the poo to recycle the can.
I've heard some people say you can't throw poo in the trash because it's hazzardous. Hogwash. Ever heard of disposable diapers? How 'bout depends for old folks who have lost bowel control. They all go into the trash but without the armor of the can.
Real benefits of the BWP Method:
1. You don't carry any extra weight since you already have empty food cans lying around in the haulbag.
2. You don't have to smell your partners (or your own) festering 4 day old turds every time you open the poop tube or dry bag.
3. You don't have to deal with the awful task of emptying the poop tube. Again: who wants to smell week old oven baked crap?
One time I was gearing up in the Awahnee lot and I was almost knocked over by a wave of nasty poo smell. Turns out some folks had opened their poo tube 300 YARDS AWAY.
4. There's no chance of a tube or dry bag getting stuck stuck while hauling since the cans stay at the bottom of the pig.
Three years ago I came down from a wall mid-summer and just threw the haulbag in the trunk and drove quickly out of the valley for work. I never got around to unpacking the pig, so it just sat in my trunk for three weeks in 100 degree San Jose weather. When I finally got around to it, I emptied the contents and found some moldy bagels and all the poop cans- and no smell.
There's just no reason to use a poop tube. Maybe people like to carry it around as a badge of honor?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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You guys are all full of shit!
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Ouch!
climber
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NPS should build sanitary rest stops throughout the climbing areas.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack, AZ
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Ouch does it again. A little modern marvel will take care of all of our business. I think you guys and gals got it all wrong though. When I was up climbing near Moby Dick I spied the best method of all. Lying there right on the ground. Get an extra large paper sack and take an ENORMOUS really wet dookie in it. Next pitch it off the wall so that all the slacker one pitch climbers will know your the king, leaving them all behind somewhere up on the big stone.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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"Another time someone left one over by the outhouse at ranger rock. They labeled it BOMB. The bomb squad from Fresno had to come to defuse it. The park was taking no chances with how the current world in it’s volatile state can be. "
" I have to say, that is some funny sh#t. "
There is a little more to the story as I recall. I was there and heard the blast - they detonated the thing after x-raying it and finding "peanuts".
I think ABS is significantly lighter than PVC, but the black color may be a bad thing for a sh#t tube.
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myterious
Trad climber
Joshua Tree
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I prefer 2 gallon paint bucket with kitty litter in it. Just sit on it to poo, close and shake! Light cheap and simple. Happy crapping!
M
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Chris McNamara
SuperTopo staff member
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Oct 13, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
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My cheap option of choice: get a bulk food container from a store like Costco that is over a foot tall and has at least 4" diameter opening and a lid that screws tight. Usually these containers have Biscotti, Pretzles, Candy, etc in them
Now, imagine you were sewing webbing to create a haulbag. Make a harness for the container just like that. Secure with duct tape.
Pros: lightweight, cheap, can haul outside of haulbag, minimal assembly, seals tight
Cons: takes time to find container, some assembly, lose lid halfway up wall and you are hurting.
As for the bag set up: go in a big zip lock bag. add powdered detergent. Double zip lock if necessary
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Oct 13, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
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I haven't tried it, but my first wall partner advocated using a piece of thin (1/8"?) bungie with a couple hooks with the plastic shopping bags. Hands free operation.
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Kindredlion
Big Wall climber
4hrs too far from YNP
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Oct 16, 2008 - 11:26pm PT
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Mike Ousley's Poop Tube above is as close to what I use as anyone described..
The plumbers test cap rig is re-usable even after the tube itself has seen too many walls and wall waste... Toss the tube, and the rest is a keeper..
For the solution to the pee Question, I have a double solution:
That magic powder inside the Wag Bag, is called "Pooh powder" google it.. you can buy a Giant can of it for like 30$ and it will last a life time (just keep it dry) its like magic dust.. I have So much and would gladly pass some on.. but the amount in one wag bag is half of waht you need, so make a second bag from the stash you skimmed from the official one..
The stuff; for those that don't know; will gel up and coat your pooh - and turn it into a 'not so stinky' mass of gel covered pooh - it really cuts the stench - a lot more than cat litter.. (i actually in a 'pinch' re-used the same garbage bag for a four day wall - it wasn't too wretched even on the last day...) Just a tablespoon is enough for a real heavy load..
The trick to the powdah - is a little liquid to activate it..
Use some pee from your Pee Bottle (see below)
Here comes the pee part..
I normally tie off my water bottles with a string of sorts, as most probably do to some of their bottles at least.. (i reuse my tie offs every wall; they has a slip knot on one end and a overhand on a bight on the other..) - just clip an empty one (now its your pee bottle) - the people below you will love it.. and, on a windy day you will too! - preferably its a wide mouth gatorade style.. (sorry ladies - you can use a F.U.D. with a modified longer tube - feminine urinary director - REI sells 'em)
So clip the bottle to your belay loop and insert your shmackle into the wide mouth.. Use your grocery bag/paper bag of choice and pee whenever you like... 'hands free'
if you really want hands free - clip the handles of your grocery bag to your gear loops, and you have both hands to read the paper... no sh*ttin!
..and i'm out..
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