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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Chaz, I agree, Obama should stop responding to the McCain ads and put forth his agenda. Will the media let him? Perhaps it's the media who is jumping on these nick picky sound bites and ignoring the message, which both candidates are obviously talking about.
Look what happened with McCains melanoma last week, Rediculous.
After the job the republicans have given us these past eight years and their disgraceful behavior of blocking legislation on capital hill for political advantage, I can not imagine anyone supporting them. However, Goerge Bush got elected and that is what worries me. Why would people want to vote for more of the same?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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I laugh robustly
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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What Russ were you looking in a mirror?
You must be running scarred DaftRat. Are you worried that if Obama wins you will be relegated to Yosemite chief honey pot dipper?
He will lose only if the Bush crime family pulls a third manipulated and stollen election.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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It's kinda not funny how much y'all are sore losers. If you win it was a 'mandate from the people', and if you lose it was obviously rigged by Cheney or some sh#t.
You people live in shells. Most Americans do not like or trust Obama. They aren't giddy over McCain, but what do ya got?
In that regard it is Bush all over again...the lesser of two fuktards!
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack, AZ
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Bluering.....mandate from the people? This seems to be W's excuse to do what ever he wants. Check the stats, Americans are going to elect Obama and therefore seem to trust him more than you say. Can't have it both ways with the mandate thing. I agree with the fuktards statement though. They all are to me. If I didn't meet fatty in person and find him amicable he'd be high up on that list. I'll let others judge.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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No mirror Philo... just watching the ObamaFluffBoys of SuperTopo trip over themselves.
Your boy is doing "Gud"
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Leb and Russ, Bluey, Give me 10 reasons to vote Republican. Why should we trust them, why should we vote for them.
We are not voting for Obama or McCain, we are voting for a way of moving this country forward. Both have different points of view and plans for the future. Saying both are horrible choices is a cop out.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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People felt a little hope when they first saw Obama and got excited. Big deal.
I knew he was no god send and said many times that he was not perfect. At least he understood the reasons for not going into Iraq. That alone is reason enough to vote for him.
Jstan is correct. We have big problems. Half a trillion in debt per year being added to our national debt. When are we going to stop this if we follow McCain's plan for war for the next 100 years?
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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>>Obama will lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you know, I thought this was a ridiculous thread title for a while. Then I realized, there are SIXTEEN exclamation points (!) in it.
If you had used just fifteen, I would not have paid attention, but with SIXTEEN exclamation points, I realize that you have thought out everything you say in detail, and that you are making a cogent argument.
I have plenty of respect for thoughtful conservatives, although I disagree with them on many things. However, nominating McCain to be president at this point in his career, when he has ceased to be anything but a pandering, attacking hack, did not show a lot of vision on the part of the Republican party. People want vision these days, because the track we are on stops right at the edge of a cliff, and they don't want to be driven over it. Which is why there is going to be a President Obama, and strong Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.
I don't say that to taunt anyone - it is just the fact of the matter, and the Republican party will hopefully look inward and return with new leaders and a new vision of how conservative ideas can lead the country into the future, instead of trying to hold onto the past with a deathgrip.
We are best off when both parties have vibrant, competing ideas, and right now that is not the situation.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Vote Whig in November.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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"We are best off when both parties have vibrant, competing ideas, and right now that is not the situation."
Well said.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Try to keep an eye on Vampira. I don't think she's through.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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I guess we need to understand how frustrating it must be for neoconservatives to not have a candidate this election.
But you may be in luck. Like Bachar said, there will be no election. And by that (at least I'm assuming) he wasn't suggesting there would be no real choices. Flashback to the last election...
From Newsweek /July 19 2004 issue
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American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, NEWSWEEK has learned.
The prospect that Al Qaeda might seek to disrupt the U.S. election was a major factor behind last week's terror warning by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. Ridge and other counterterrorism officials concede they have no intel about any specific plots. But the success of March's Madrid railway bombings in influencing the Spanish elections—as well as intercepted "chatter" among Qaeda operatives—has led analysts to conclude "they want to interfere with the elections," says one official.
As a result, sources tell NEWSWEEK, Ridge's department last week asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place. Justice was specifically asked to review a recent letter to Ridge from DeForest B. Soaries Jr., chairman of the newly created U.S. Election Assistance Commission. Soaries noted that, while a primary election in New York on September 11, 2001, was quickly suspended by that state's Board of Elections after the attacks that morning, "the federal government has no agency that has the statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election." Soaries, a Bush appointee who two years ago was an unsuccessful GOP candidate for Congress, wants Ridge to seek emergency legislation from Congress empowering his agency to make such a call. Homeland officials say that as drastic as such proposals sound, they are taking them seriously—along with other possible contingency plans in the event of an election-eve or Election Day attack. "We are reviewing the issue to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election," says Brian Roehrkasse, a Homeland spokesman.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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If such an overwhelming attack took place, one that resulted in this possibility, it would be a SCOTUS decision. Congress--assuming it still existed-- would vote on this and SCOTUS would rule on that decision.
Any BDS paranoids out there that would like to jump in?
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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I don't think anyone on this site considers Obama a massiah....that is just another republican spin phrase conjured up from the press this week. You have Obama supporters on this site for sure. Including me, a proud liberal.
What we do have is a smart young politician with vision who can make a real difference in America and the world if we give him the opportunity. He is not perfect and I wince when he speaks sometimes, but for moving forward with alternative energy, health care, the economy, foreign policy, the war on terror, the dems are our proven best bet.
We already know what the Republicans are capable of. Pissing off the world, government spending to the point of a record deficit, no health care plan, tax cuts for the rich, not paying attention to the banking industry, contracts to the kronies, and a host of unscrupulous activity.
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jstan
climber
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Has anyone here seen a reference to Obama as a "Messiah?" I have not so as far as I can see the messiah discussion that keeps surfacing is a faux issue.
For my part I am mostly relieved that we have any chance to leave the idiocy of the last eight years. It is beyond me how anyone can look at McCain's behavior and think he is other than a clone of the president with perhaps even less emotional control, if that were possible. Their similarities in behavior and in their backgrounds is remarkable. But inevitably, perception is in the hands of the perceiver. Many people did after all perceive Bush as a viable candidate for president, only later to find out differently, to their very great sorrow. You would think those who were deceived would be very determined to understand exactly how it was they were deceived, what their own vulnerabilities were, and try avoid repeating the mistakes they made.
Perhaps it is just easier to keep doing exactly the same thing time after time, hoping one day it will turn out differently.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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There seems to be a lot of talk from both sides that neither candidate is worthy. So I'm curious. When was the last time any of you recall having a candidate in the general election who you really supported? A candidate who instilled a sense of confidence and inspiration, rather than one who merely represented your party and the general tenets of your ideology?
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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You know...
Should not have bothered allowing African Americans to vote... It doesn't count.
I don't know why we should bother teaching about the women's suffrage movement. It is not such a big deal, their vote doesn't count.
I have no idea why anyone would fight against a literacy test that is designed to prevent the poor from voting... It is not like their vote counts...
Now why did so many politicians try to prevent 18 year olds from getting the vote in 1971,it is not like their vote counts...
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You know if someone "thinks" their vote doesn't count... If they don't even bother
fighting for their rights, vote and demand that they are counted. If all they do is just mummer and go along with their daily lives without some effort to change it...
They themselves and their opinion don't count either...
I am going to vote and I will bitch like hell, protest my heart out if they mess with it. I am not going to just mummer how somehow it didn't count and do the zombie walk throughout my life.
You are either part of the change, or you are the weight holding back preventing change. It is up to you people.
I say grow up and take responsibility for this world... It is your generation that is allowing these things to happen.
AF
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Kerry tried the "not responding" tactic in 2004 and he got creamed. McCain dropped Obama's lead from 9% to 1% this past couple weeks with negative ads. That's really the only strategy that they have.
Obama needs to respond in a manner that allows him to pivot and reframe the discussion into something positive. Positivity is what works for him and its what people are craving. It is the only thing that can stomp on the Repug fear machine.
LEB- Good god where do you get this stuff seriously. Socialism? It makes for great talking points and I expect that stuff from Fatty but you at least pretend to be unpartisan. You may claim to not think one way is "right" and another "wrong" but you are grossly mischaracterizing Obamas policies and labeling them something they aren't. That really isn't any different.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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No way I'm voting for a guy that is running a nicotine induced hypoxia..... have you seen the color of those lips? Medical opinion please.....
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