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Tarbuster
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2008 - 04:54pm PT
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OK Ray,
I've dusted off the plate.
You are up to bat!
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 05:18pm PT
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OK, first this, then all the
way down...
here's an interesting one from Scarpa
Neptune's had these as sorta their "aid-boot" and I guess for certain types of those environments it would be fine.
It's more Approach oriented than Climbing
but is surprisingly nimble on rock, though for me, if I were as fit as ever, I might use these up to easy 5th class or so.
Where this boot excels is with a long-ish Indian peaks style
approach hike, then coupled with a new-matic style set of spikes
especially those new aluminum ones from Grivel, then moderate snow on up to the 4th class terrain and the summit.
The boot hikes well and seems like the design intent was for Via Ferrata type stuff - interesting sole huh? Pretty sticky too.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
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The boot has an nice lacing system, low profile,
plus the color and over-all "look" make it
good for bar-hopping as well.
First thing I do is yard the stock foot-bed,
if there is enough volume inside,
then add a Superfeet green to enhance fit, warmth etc.
This type of thing isn't really a full-on spring couloir
boot per say, but have backed off the laces and spent
part of a spring night in them w/ bivi-sac protection,
the warmth was A-OK.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 05:45pm PT
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though I sure didn't get to do enough testing
on these, initial feed back is two thumbs up
Feather light, strong and many times more
reliable than the aluminum spikes of yesteryear.
Adds a fair bit of stiffness to any hiking
boot, or ski boot, or just about whatever.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 05:52pm PT
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it may take me a little while to get my notes and thoughts
together for the next post -
the stuff more like "rock shoes with heels";
hybrid type kletter shoes.
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Tarbuster
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2008 - 06:43pm PT
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Probably because that was similar in a generational sense to the molded EB's, which were a tragedy.
You gotta get up pretty late in the morning to pull one over on me...
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Bazo
Boulder climber
Ky
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Mar 29, 2008 - 06:58pm PT
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Those RR's bring back memories....Very, very stiff hiking boots with a rand.
My first climbing shoes...I didn't realize how wrong they were for what I was doing until I finally picked up a pair of EB's. Now that was an epiphany...
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
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Roy,
Another guy who swore by the Shoenards, and could climb anything in them,was Pete Steers.
Double D?
The great Bardini finally revealed on ST! Post some more pictures! Hope you're doing well.
Rick
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 29, 2008 - 08:32pm PT
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Damn that is one hell of a shoe fetish! ;)
But then again I might have found some people I can relate to since I own more "climbing shoes" than regular ones.
Keep it up, please.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 08:36pm PT
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feeling better now
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Tarbuster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2008 - 08:40pm PT
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Shoe fetish -right
Mighty Hiker, over on the Croft thread, just called me Imeldabuster.
That's just a bit of an exaggeration, I mean, sorta...
This is along the lines of the do it all footwear that Paul Petzolt used on his first trip up the Grand Teton:
(The tall ones I got resold with green dot style rubber)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 29, 2008 - 08:51pm PT
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That was only coz you tried to shoe-jack the thread! Nyah nyah!
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Tarbuster
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2008 - 08:56pm PT
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I guess I need a pair of Tricouni hobnails.
Gee, I wonder how well they heel hook?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 10:25pm PT
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I'm gonna kick this off with some pics of related samples -
Rock Shoes with Heels
Scarpa Tradmaster -looks like a textury ribbed thing, might help on pine-needles?
approaches?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 10:27pm PT
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and interesting idea from evolve
not a heel, the way it looks -
like a kind of "mid" sole
or "mid" out-sole?
pipe up if I'm using the wrong terms please.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 10:30pm PT
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I'm calling this one a hybrid:
the blend of two ideas
shoe>rock shoe
the heel is there,
and the forefoot is all business
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 10:32pm PT
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where is this leading?
comments on the above ideas
designs - what folks think?
is a mix of features for long
rock routes a functional thing?
is it Bullsh*t?
what?
we can be as idealistic as we want.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2008 - 11:40pm PT
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Ray,
Although they are not board lasted with ankle protection, the samples you posted up are essentially modern climbing shoes with some provision for walking.
So in a very raw critique of what the Klettershoe is or does, those hit the mark; they are an example of modern Klettershoe.
Perfect place to start, then we decide what functional criteria or demand exists to move to something with say, ankle protection and/or a more substantial heel.
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Tarbuster
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2008 - 11:45pm PT
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In any of these designs, one construction choice which really affects performance is this idea you pointed out in the other thread(talking about the five tenny style shoes) where the space right under the toes is kept free of cushy foam rubber.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 29, 2008 - 11:46pm PT
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thought I'd start "light" then
build up - I'm w/ you:
ankle protection/perhaps board
last OR - removable insole.
Not for mixed - these dry weather
all-day "adventure rock" shoe idea:
for the F.A., all day - approach
and descent - not saying the above
hits it - wonder if folks like it?
or if something perhaps missing?
U R right - Kaukulator Dru very close, IMO.
(think my bolts may be loosening again)
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