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James
Gym climber
A Seaside Hippy Resort
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Sep 10, 2005 - 02:17pm PT
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Crimpergirl,
You are so right! Furthermore climbing is a horrible abomination. To climb El Capitan one must be sinfully inspired. You must become Faust and make a pact with the devil. Lucifer will steel your dark heart with the ugly armor of determination.
AH!!!The eighth deadly sin!!!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 10, 2005 - 02:29pm PT
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A friend was discharged from an outpatient surgery.
He decided to wait for his ride outside.
Standing on the sidewalk, he passed out, hit his head, and slipped into the world of others.
You don't need a 10' fall to break bones (or worse).
And like Karl sez, it ain't the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop.
:- k
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 10, 2005 - 05:29pm PT
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Gimpygirl wrote:
"Falls often come as a complete surprise, and many falls do not afford the time or opportunity to fall carefully. "
HAHAHA, well, if you are not doing something silly like slack lining... or stepping backwards off a tow truck... In other words if your attention is focused and you have trained yourself to fall properly... Then you've usually got time.
Falling 25 to 30 feet takes over a second, that's a long time IF you have your mind right.
Short surprize falls are the worst in terms of reacting well though.
Let me guess that you have not ever taken a falling class or practiced falling correctly. Right or wrong?
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Ca
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Sep 11, 2005 - 05:11pm PT
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Ok, if this isn't already morbid enough, if you had the time, how would you position yourself while falling to have the best chance of living. From 30 feet? From 200 feet?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Sep 11, 2005 - 05:47pm PT
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True. Not only have I never had a falling class, I've never had a climbing class. I did take a class in avian care - hence, I am Crimpergirl, CAS (Certified Avian Specialist).
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Sep 11, 2005 - 05:50pm PT
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Fattrad - you took gymnastics? Yes? Rings (please please please)? Yes? Then for the love of all that is good, post some photos!!!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:09pm PT
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I'll happily look at photos of the shoulders/back/abs of a competitive swimmer too!
:)
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James
Gym climber
A Seaside Hippy Resort
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:12pm PT
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If I was to fall from a hundred feet with out a rope I would:
First carefully bend myself in half.
Second Strech my arms and grab my ankles.
Third Tuck my head between my legs
Now kiss my sweet ass goodbye.
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Eric Chisholm
Trad climber
Sebastopol, CA
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:14pm PT
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From 30 ft, I think a ground fall would be best taken by having your feet hit first, but not trying to stay standing up. Just collaps as you hit. But it's guna hurt!
200 ft. I'd go head first. That way I would'nt be there gasping for breath with two collasped lungs, lost of broken bones and ruptured spleen gurgling blood as I died.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:21pm PT
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So Eric
From 30 ft, a few people that we’ve picked up from such a fall have had their knee’s jam into their lungs on impact and collapse their lungs.
Try the forward roll …… one shoulder turned in on impact and roll.
From 200 feet it’s up to lady luck …..
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Eric Chisholm
Trad climber
Sebastopol, CA
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:23pm PT
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Yeh, I will try to remember that as my life flashes before my eyes.
....maby we should go test drive the options?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:25pm PT
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Test drive the options? Lol!
Not me man, that's way to hard for me.
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James
Gym climber
A Seaside Hippy Resort
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:27pm PT
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Come on Werner,
I Dream of Cream.
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Sep 11, 2005 - 06:36pm PT
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from "Survival Tips", "Unplanned Free-fall"; The Free-Fall Research Page:
http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffresearch.html
If your search discloses no trees or snow, the parachutist's "five-point landing" is useful to remember even in the absence of a parachute. Meet the ground with your feet together, and fall sideways in such a way that five parts of your body successively absorb the shock, equally and in this order: feet, calf, thigh, buttock, and shoulder. 120 divided by 5 = 24. Not bad! 24 mph is only a bit faster than the speed at which experienced parachutists land. There will be some bruising and breakage but no loss of consciousness to delay your press conference. Just be sure to apportion the 120-mph blow in equal fifths. Concentrate!
; )
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 11, 2005 - 08:54pm PT
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Forward roll is harder than sideways onto your one buttcheeck or the other by collapsing one leg sitting down and curling your head and shoulder up and away from the fall direction and rolling across your back, from one hip to the opposite shoulder. It's a lot easier to demonstrate.
Landing feet first even on a THICK (1 foot) crash pad from say 20 or more feet you can still knock yourself silly with your knees, so keep your knees open as you hit and then roll.
Mmake sure both feet hit at the same time, on the balls not the heels, and cushion with ankles, knees, etc.
Landing on your heels with legs straight is really really bad, don't do it ever, not even from a few inches.
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Voice of Reason
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Sep 11, 2005 - 09:28pm PT
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What if the one falling is really top heavy.......a boob first landing may lend some impact resistance. The five sequential points of impact could be choreographed to resemble an interpretive dance of the flight (or landing) of the puple monked whiffler tit.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Sep 11, 2005 - 10:15pm PT
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Voice of Reason recommends boob first descent.
I just wanted to add that added safety is gained by hitting on one's bigger boob (and one is always bigger).
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Ca
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Sep 11, 2005 - 10:46pm PT
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I always figured that if I was going to go in from way up, I would keep my legs slightly bent but crossed such that when my femurs go thru my pelvis they go out away from my body and maybe all the ripping and tearing would allow me to survive. I would be a legless little fart but I just might live to have jokes made in my honor. Of course, every time I fell off the rings in high school and colledge I landed flat on my back so the odds of me being in control on impact are slim.
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Gary Carpenter
climber
SF Bay Area
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Sep 11, 2005 - 10:53pm PT
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The military used to (maybe they still do)teach what they called the "parachute landing fall" (PLF). The procedure was to land with both feet together taking the initial impact on both legs simultaneously, then immeditely roll to one side allowing the impact to be transfered to the side of the leg, hip, and shoulder.
It seemed to break the impact pretty well, but then I had a chute.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Thank you for the chart, Dr. OW Ed
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