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sween345
climber
back east
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Great. The bottle my 10 year old daughter got last year for working at an Adopt a Crag could poison her? She love's it, mainly because of this handy little item. [url]http://www.guyotdesigns.com/firefly [/url] Oh well. Guess who's getting a new bottle before we go climbing again.
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John Moosie
climber
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Well sheep dip. I have two. one of the old gray ones with no number in the triangle and a new purple one. I liked the new colors because the water didn't taste as funny as the old opaque white ones and the lids didn't leak. I still have a couple of the old white ones but they both leak.
Sheep dip.
So what are the bladders made out of?
Edit: Khanom, how do the stainless bottles hold up in the cold? the ones I have used in the past all leaked if they weren't upright in the pack. And I agree about using bottles around the house or on the road. I don't like taking bladders out except on hikes or climbs.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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This warning was also issued somewhat recently to baby bottles. According to a pdf from Environment California (or something like that), bottles with recycling codes of 3, 6 and 7 presented risks of exposure, which is pretty much any nalgene-type bottle you'll find. Bottles with a 1,2 4 or 5 code are considered safe.
Shortly after tossing all our suspect bottles, my wife and I were at REI. Every bottle on display was a 3,6 or 7. The warning was probably even more apt for baby bottles because the chemical can leach more easily when filled with hot fluids or when put through a dishwasher, pretty common for baby bottle usage.
I never ceased to be amazed by the stupidity, naivete or willful blindness of those folks who seems to think that all such health and safety notices are communist plots or some rant by chicken little. I guess when you've survived your mother taking thalidimyde, being driven around as a toddler in the front seat of a Pinto without seatbelts, drinking breast milk that's contaminated with the fire retardant coating from your parents' sofa cushions, etc., etc., you have a right to be skeptical.
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Donny... the OHHH!- Riginal
Sport climber
The Great Indoors...
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Jody is correct. According to recent reports in the American Medical Association Journal, death itself even causes cancer.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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as bad as that may seem perhaps some of you need to gain some perspective....
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm
Occurrence and Consequences
During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006).
i will also bet you money that on a normalized basis there are far more deaths of rock climbers than there can be idnetified to drinking out of a nalgene bottle.
but whatever gets you excited...
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phile
Trad climber
SF, CA
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so are the issues with #1 "single use" bottles well documented at this point? that's not just propaganda by the people trying to sell you bottled water?
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana
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This could explain the rapid onset of my "Manboobies" ever since I made the switch to colored Nalgenes.
Q: How do you "scratch" the inside of your waterbottle..use "rocks" for ice??
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davidji
Social climber
CA
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"This warning was also issued somewhat recently to baby bottles. According to a pdf from Environment California (or something like that), bottles with recycling codes of 3, 6 and 7 presented risks of exposure, which is pretty much any nalgene-type bottle you'll find. Bottles with a 1,2 4 or 5 code are considered safe. "
Thanks. The Lexan Nalgene bottles are #7 (PC). My older translucent white one is #2. The typical cycling bottle is #4.
I stopped using lexan bottles for drinking water based on similar reports awhile back. I used to assume they were safer than the old style nalgene, because they didn't flavor the water as much.
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John Moosie
climber
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Jody and Hawkeye,
Dying isn't always the worst thing that can happen.
Try 20 years of progressively worse health with no obvious cause. Then you will start looking at the toxicity of the chemicals in our lives. Its not just the amount from something like these bottles but from the totality of our lives.
Yes, plastics have many good uses and I will continue to use them, but I will also make myself aware of such issues as was brought up here. Why should I expose myself to things I don't need to?
Pray you continue in good health.
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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From the far outliers of the planet, it is hard to disbelieve information such as this - I mean we are talking biblical proceedings here - National Geographic for gods sake.
Give me a break. Grab the Oct issue (corn on cover)..In there it describes how ethanol gives 30% less gas mileage than gasoline and at 2.80 per gallon is competitive in the midwest with 3.12 gasoline.
Duh, 30% less means it get 70% of the mileage. So you need 100/70 times as much to go a given distance. So 10/7 * 2.80 = 4.00!
Interesting interpretation of competitive!
Great photography though. Funny little thing on research why woodpeckers eyes don't pop out and trying to figure out if they get headaches.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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the old MSR bladders used to contain traces of arsenic - remember that ? i had one recalled in 96/7ish... i add lemon juice to the water i store in the new one, but there still is that bladder taste - I wonder what it is...
so i just retired 2 lexan nalgenes - sure the risk is probably not that great, but when you're banging hard and drained you are living off that water, right ? it's going straight to the bone...and i put everything from 100 proof booze to rehydrating chili in there - I'd rather not worry about chemicals...
times like this i think my partner nathan, with the gallon glass rossi wine jug water bottle, is not so mad after all...
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Keeper of Australia Mt
Trad climber
Whitehorse, Yukon , Canada
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2007 - 12:57am PT
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Phile - it is the bottle water distributors that are using the #1 single use plastic bottles for the most part!
Trad is Good - that line was designed to be provocative and engender introspection. You got it though - the point is to not believe everything you read - take some time to get informed and then make your decision with embedded consequences.
I think you might want to exercise some discretion on marketing information and self-serving disinformation tactics by corporate purveyors of various products out there. They only represent their corporate financial interests first and foremost and I doubt they are keen on re-tooling in the public interest unless the public and consumers force them to by not buying into their defective product line. Lots of examples out there of similiar situations - how about corporate responses to supposed non-toxic breast implants or the initial reactio from Firestone on the safety of their tires. You want to put your faith in the good people at ENRON - be my guest. In the end it is your personal choice - my choice is that there is enough evidence to demonstate that these #7 bottles are bad news - and I do not need any extra nonsense in my system. I personally am a bit more sensitive to the things I put into it given a little epic with a gnarly gall bladder that left me with four scars and ongoing pain resulting from more chloresterol than I needed going into the mix. Especially when we can produce foodstuffs that have none or minimal amounts.
We put men on the moon - we can produce decent an non -toxic water bottles for the masses and in doing so the corporations will make some money but maybe not as much as they might like to.
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jstan
climber
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We had three. One colored and two clear with the blue top.
All are now in the recycle bin. One of the clear ones had a
blank triangle and the other you could just barely see a "7" in oblique light..
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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For all you recent converts, here's a link the the best bottles on the planet.
http://www.mysigg.com/
After a while that get that great battered look that brands you as an authentic water drinker.
Mal
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phile
Trad climber
SF, CA
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just to be clear, yes, it's the bottled water mongers who are using the #1 bottles, but they want you to throw the bottle away and buy a new one once you've drunk the water. i remember reading some clearly biased BS about why you needed to do so, but it was from the water hawkers, and they somehow forgot to mention concerns about chemicals. probly figured it would spook people. why does re-use cause problems that the first use doesn't, do you know?
15 years ago there was a scare about AL and alzheimer's. that seems to have disappeared--nothing came out that backed that up, i take it? siggs won't give me man boobs?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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hahaha What a silly thread. Borderline pathetic.
Climbers concerned about their water bottles killing them... hahahaha
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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keeper, After my post, I was thinking, well maybe by the reference to Bible, he meant a whole bunch of fictional stuff that might or might not have any factual basis at all.
Pagan, 100 proof booze certainly contains a number of chemicals, as does your chili. The booze, anyway, likely in far higher damaging levels than the ones mentioned.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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hehe - maybe it is all paranoia...but still - like i said to the lady at rei - i *live* out of my water bottles. i prolly drink more than 70% of my non-booze beverages out of them, unless i'm injured and sitting on the couch watching cartoons...and easily half or more of that 70% would be under higher metabolic demand for water...
never did like the taste of the nalgenes. i *did* like the fact that they were hard to break, and the wide mouth made it easy using them to re-hydrate food and clean up afterwards...can't do that with the new sigg...
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Bodega, CA
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News Flash: You're gonna die anyway.
;-)
Anyhow,
I recall Scott Burke telling about how he was getting horrendous headaches up on Half Dome when working to free it, looked into his beat up gatorade bottle (coverd with old duct tape) and saw green slime. New bottles solved the problem, but he was vowing to change them out more regularly. Good idea.
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