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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 14, 2007 - 10:55am PT
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The major problem some of you have with me is that I make policy while you merely read/debate about it.
Fattrad, I make policy as well. I make it a policy not to believe politicians and others who want to suck us into needless, expensive and inhumane conflicts.
I make it a policy to push for the removal from office those people who lie to the public about things that hurt the country, its people and its future. And I am not talking about a blowjob that did not hurt the country in itself.
I make it a policy not to believe the crap that some people, especially neocons and neoliberals, espouse to further their own agendas at the cost of both America and the world.
I make it a policy…
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 14, 2007 - 11:50am PT
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...................on belay!!!................
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 14, 2007 - 12:27pm PT
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tension...
...watch me...
...falling...
into a neocon/neoliberal cesspool
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 14, 2007 - 12:37pm PT
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Not to worry, guys. fattrad is already at the top of the list for the re-education camps. After the revolution, he'll be trolling for the proletariate.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 14, 2007 - 12:46pm PT
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"Meeting with some real power brokers later this afternoon."
Like whom?
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 14, 2007 - 12:47pm PT
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"The major problem some of you have with me is that I make policy while you merely read/debate about it."
You make no policy.
If you do, prove it!
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:13pm PT
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as i have mentioned before, fatso's place in my heart was permanently secured by his (entirely unprovoked) inflammatory tone toward me during early participation around here:
http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.html?s=ratings&o=ASC&v=0&cur=4650&ftr=id%3A%3A797#list
edit- should have been this link
http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.html?s=ratings&o=ASC&v=0&cur=4625&ftr=id%3A%3A797#list
that said, i agree that he is a shameless and constant promoter of violence and bloodshed, regardless of circumstance or consequence, and having done shaq style volunteer ride along as a white man w/ a badge in black neighborhoods, he (quite laughably) believes that he understands warfare and all it entails (on every side). he is the perfect caricature of a "chicken-hawk", and i have very little respect for both his opinions, and for him as a person.
i'm not dissin' for the sake of it alone, i'm just callin it like i see it, plain and simple.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:22pm PT
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"The major problem some of you have with me is that I make policy while you merely read/debate about it."
You make no policy.
If you do, prove it!
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:25pm PT
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For your reading pleasure, here is the text of one of the email messages I got in reply from Zack, that fatty refers to all the time.
"thank you for your email and for bringing our attn to this matter. Please rest assured that Jeff is NOT 'high up' in aipac. He does NOT speak for the organization. We will contact him to ensure he ceases his claim of 'official' affiliation with us when speaking on behalf of himself.
In the meantime, please let us know how we can mend any fences that may have been damaged by this.
Thank you.
Zack Bodner, Regional Director"
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:26pm PT
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fat- nevertheless, everything i have always said about this president and his war have turned out to be spot on, while you are more and more on the widely rejected fringe of public opinion. even among the wingnuts out there (whose credibility is all but shattered anyway), your statements and positions are not tennable.
lois- you are a longwinded boring version of fingernails on a chalkboard (which, may i point out, is a far cry from constantly comparing you to fecal matter), and if you feel dissmissed by me, that is by intent. seek others who are interested in your inclusion, for i am not among them.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:42pm PT
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LEB,
You make very valid points!
When it comes to fattrad, though, his posts are incessantly the same old caca-del-toro and he will not engage in debate as you do(i.e. put some logic behind his posts that is more than one or two sentences).
So it becomes more of a B.S. game to flame him.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:44pm PT
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you are more of a troll than fatguy.
you constantly ask for advice and clarification and explanation, but have no time to actually educate yourself, save for other people painstakingly typing out for you what is abundantly available to anyone (again and again and again).
...yawn....
(earplugs preventing me from hearing the screching of nails)
edit-
your big problem w/ me is that i won't participate w/ you, how is that all about me? it's just as much about you baby.
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nita
climber
chico ca
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:52pm PT
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Lois-Leb, Blah,blah,blah...I personally think that Fattrad,
Matt,Crowley,WildBill ect..etc..Have all toned down- the direct
name calling.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:52pm PT
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"It is quite another to be profane and vulgar to anyone else who questions one of his views"
Good point.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 14, 2007 - 01:58pm PT
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Matt, why so insensitive to Lois? Isn't the real purpose of these forums to gain unknown information...to request beta. I think she's right, pot calling kettle black.
Oh yeah, my ventana's suck! I guess I'm demanding too much out of them though, they're definately not a sensitive climbing shoe. Sh*t, I just about killed myself last weekend peeling off a route and having my dic%head belay drop me like a sack-a-taters.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:01pm PT
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"It is quite another to be profane and vulgar to anyone else who questions one of his views"
links?
offering anything to support that claim?
hmmm, i don't remember ever calling you a stupid bitch or anything of the sort, what do you consider vulgar?
regarding the above statement, i hereby challenge you to support that claim.
can't find any examples?
didn't think so.
edit- all i ever do w/ you is give you clear signals that i am not interested in you, and all you ever do is say you will steer clear and then a week later you attempt to re-engage me.
as i have always said, go read some books and prove i am wrong about you, otherwise go back to foxnews.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:16pm PT
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I like Fatty, he is my main source on ME news.
Fatty, what is going? We are in the middle of March, I see no WAR with Eye-ran
You said by mid Feb, ME is going to be leveled up by ISRaelieeeeeess dropping NUKESSSSS and USAF crews are currently washing F16 on Persian Gulf and so far no action.
What happened, did we ran out of cash? Is Taliban taken over Afghanistan?
Why Halliburton is moving to Islamic State?
Are they planning to hire Muslims when Americans are out of job?
The clash of civilization is entering the XII chapter.
What is the update?
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John Moosie
climber
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:47pm PT
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Lois,
Sometimes it is difficult for me to even fathom where you get your ideas of what a Republican is and what a Democrat is. You ideas are about 50 years out of date.
In the last 50 years it is the Republicans who have increased the size of the government and the national debt the most. Their only claim to fame is the so called tax cuts which they say have increased production in this country. What they fail to say is that the increased production always came about because of a war. That and the tax cuts led to increased debt and an increase in the cost to you through higher user fees. Ie, toll roads, higher costs for college education, higher local fees such as increased sales tax.
You need to reexamine your understand of what constitutes wealthy. $100,000 dollars a year barely gets you into upper middle class. Try more then $300,000 dollars a year to start qualifying as wealthy. And that is the very very bottom of wealthy. In the last 50 years the Democrats have been the party which most affectively has supported programs and taxes that protect the middleclass. $100,000 dollars a year is middleclass.
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L
climber
The City of Lost Angels
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:51pm PT
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LEB--You sound so...well...confused.
Some of your beliefs are mutually exclusive: Being Pro-Environment and Republican, or Pro-Environment and Anti-Gore, or Pro-Environment and Pro-Nuclear Waste.
And a Republican Secular Humanist??? You must be joking! That's like being a Conscientious Objector while you're standing there lobbing gernades at Iranian children.
I think it's time you came out of the closet, Lois. I understand your husband will make your life hell, but that's preferable to YOU making your life hell! (Schizophrenia is such a messy business...)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:51pm PT
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John, I think you're confusing idiot neo-cons with Republicans. Most Repubs nowadays are basically neo-cons, not true conservatives. Bush, for example would be a neo-con, Pat Buchanon is an old school Republican (conservative). They're labels anyway, and people are too dynamic to 'fit' into a label, generally speaking.
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