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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:09pm PT
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Or him...
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:10pm PT
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man - that just looks like a bad idea...though i'd prolly try it once...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:11pm PT
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Good for you, Largo. Nicotine is supposedly a more difficult withdrawl than even heroin, I've heard.
Stay the course, and take things easy. Don't put yourself in situations that need a calm focus or restraint in public. Keep busy with stuff, but not stuff that...umm...how to say it delicately....not stuff where innocent bystanders might get hit with the verbal schrapnel that could easily misfire in such a stressful time.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:14pm PT
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I've been trying to get off chocolate cookies for fifty years. I'm not going to make it.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:15pm PT
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She's right...quitting might be a bad idea.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:23pm PT
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john, stay the course. after 7 - 8 years of going through 750 ml of really good (12 - 25 year old scotch) every three-four days, i'm now going into week four of a strict "one beer, one metered shot scotch" regime, with the goal being just drinking when i want to...not every damn day....social drinker. like i was so many years ago.
yesterday i had the best bouldering day i've had in three years. smoked the ass of a bunch off a bunch of kids who aren't even old enough to buy their own beer.
talk about positive reinforcement!!
i seen pics of peeps with C from chew. you do not wanna go there.
sending swole "healthy lifestyle" vibes your way, babe. swear to god, if you die before me i'm gonna be PISSED!11!
(p.s. i've been taking "mindfulness meditation" workshops. not for everyone, but it's werkin' fer moi.....)
good luck, man. as you know, life is one fukkin' really swell bitch, then ya croak....
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Dynoho
Sport climber
Huntington Beach, CA
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:25pm PT
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I started with the Redman, then Cope. I even smoked for a couple of years to get off the dip. Now, it's been 12 years on Nicorette. It only comes out for food and it stays in while I sleep. Even if you ween yourself off of the nicotine, you will still suffer from the effects of the oral fixation. For that you will have to substitute with whatever you deem appropriate.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:31pm PT
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p.p.s. -- if you stay on the dip, could you send a word? i got a few more books i need you to sign....... ;-}
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:58pm PT
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It's harder than HELL!!!!
I used to smoke only when I drank, (never in the morning as it would make me ill!) But as I started to drink more frequently, I smoked more as well..So I've been cutting back on the drinking and my smoking has decreased as well! Good Luck John!! You'll do it I'm sure!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:09am PT
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bachar -- for me, quitting cigs was a cinch. no stress at all. just decided to do it and i did. that was '2005.
cutting my whisky consumption down is, literally, a life-or-death stuggle. it's a different scene, but seems to me the medical community has made things a snap for nic folks. i mean, where's the "patch" for booze??....there's no silver bullet. yet.
i guess it's a measure of the respect i have for the people on the forum that i can even post this h3r3.....
normally, i would consider this kind of sh#t in poor taste...but as pete spears just croaked out WAY too early, i beleive those of us in his generation have a responsibility to one another to honestly confront those things that challenge our mortality...
i'm jus' sayin', is all....
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:15am PT
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You thought you were smart switching from cigs to dip.
But that was a big mistake - you went from filtering the drug into your body in a fairly natural way - to doing something analogous to mainlining.
Your addiction escalated.
Never ingest nicotine into your system the rest of your life and you will have a fine opportunity ahead of you - to find out what you're really made of.
Might as well bail on every other habit forming or mind altering chemical as well - including aspirin - and go for a real ride.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:17am PT
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werd, ray. sound like you're already where i want to be.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:23am PT
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Four years straight-edge last month.
I drink coffee again.
Ray
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:25am PT
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Then I remembered this add...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:32am PT
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HA!
mike, a few years ago i was in a doktroz office and they had that poster on the wall.
i talked the nurse out of it, and now it's on the wall of my garage climbing wall.
too classic. one look at my x-rays, she peeled that sucker off, rolled it up, and gave it to me.
i paid 60 finnsons to get it framed, all proper like....
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:36am PT
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When I taught 5th grade on the Lakota Souix Indian Reservation in Oglala, So. Dakota, I noticed early on that some of my 5th grade students CHEWED tabacco!.....5th graders!.....When I asked my class what was up and just how many chewed, ....every hand in the class went up....they ALL DID! Majority rules, so I let them chew;...only at recess, mind you, and when they came filing in after recess, they all marched past the sink in the classroom to fish out a fingerful of skanky skoal.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:48am PT
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Largo, you can do it. You are the master of your own destiny. Just keep telling yourself that when your mind tries to trick you into succumbing to the demon.
I quit chewing cold turkey August 05. Hardest thing I've ever done. First two weeks were an inhuman hell, then it got worse. I was way worse off than you, rolling thru a can every 1.5 days on the outside, sometimes a can a day when binging (stressing), I'd had a chew in daily for probably 5 years and off and on for 10 (mostly on).
I know what you mean about the writing, I constantly had a dip in at work, and I worked all the time. Couldn't stop working so had to change the culture of work, so as to not associate it with chewing. Removing trashcans, new diet to keep the mind occupied, changing my whole daily routine helped me immensely.
Whoever mentioned satiating the oral fixation upthread nailed, I chew gum like a mf'r when I jones, or when I'm not.
Every dip you don't take is a victory. The demon urge will never go away (as told to me by my wife's 75 year old grandfather who hasn't smoked since 1965) but there resides inside you a strength to beat it down when it rears it's ugly head.
Do it. I'm rooting for you.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Mar 12, 2007 - 12:48am PT
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Largo, you can do it. You are the master of your own destiny. Just keep telling yourself that when your mind tries to trick you into succumbing to the demon.
I quit chewing cold turkey August 05. Hardest thing I've ever done. First two weeks were an inhuman hell, then it got worse. I was way worse off than you, rolling thru a can every 1.5 days on the outside, sometimes a can a day when binging (stressing), I'd had a chew in daily for probably 5 years and off and on for 10 (mostly on).
I know what you mean about the writing, I constantly had a dip in at work, and I worked all the time. Couldn't stop working so had to change the culture of work, so as to not associate it with chewing. Removing trashcans, new diet to keep the mind occupied, changing my whole daily routine helped me immensely.
Whoever mentioned satiating the oral fixation upthread nailed, I chew gum like a mf'r when I jones, or when I'm not.
Every dip you don't take is a victory. The demon urge will never go away (as told to me by my wife's 75 year old grandfather who hasn't smoked since 1965) but there resides inside you a strength to beat it down when it rears it's ugly head.
Do it. I'm rooting for you.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2007 - 01:33am PT
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Thanks for the raw raw. I've always been a super addictive kind of dood. Maybe my greatest accomplishment is giving up all rec. drugs before my oldest daughter was born July 10, 1988. None sense, not even a bong hit. Anf that's something coming from me. But I was always working those hacks, never big time but I had to have five or ten of them a day, and pack on walls. Then the liquor started getting a bit much and I tappered that way back, almost to nothing, a few months ago. Now the chew, and next, I suppose, is I'll have to get off coffee.
The idea of being substance free is a dream of mine.
We'll see.
JL
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