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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Apr 14, 2019 - 07:57pm PT
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To be honest, I always thought Mouse had been posting images that he had photographed. It never occurred to me they were not his own works.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:06pm PT
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I've never even considered posting any photo that wasn't mine. But I pay for an unlimited Flicker account with thousands of photos on it.
I post my own photos here using the standard "image brackets" as I do on the other site I post to, Mudn'Crud.
Apparently because I use a different method of posting my own photos, they've all now vanished. Poof.
Probably 600 of my own photos on just the "PCT With Daughters" thread (I really like that thread). Poof.
Someone operating on this site isn't thinking, isn't analyzing the effect of what seems to be a knee-jerk reaction.
The end of Supertopo? I'd hate to see it. I hope whoever's taking these steps takes a good look at what they've done and fixes it.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:12pm PT
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God but that was enjoyable - somewhere between a Fleet enema and
a bottle of Ipecac.
Going through all of my photos one at a time deleting the screen grabs from news sites, the goofy memes, funny stuff.
Deleted all of it - my sins have been washed free of me.
Haven't felt this purged since I divorced the first bat sh#t crazy woman I married.
Thanks Chris.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:13pm PT
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Gnome-FYI "Sloaper" aka Adam /Andrew Burch & Russ Walling AkA Fish have fun Dx-ing Mistaken identity here- Andrew Burch- not to be mistaken with Adam Burch, strictly posts climbing content-two different people.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:18pm PT
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Chris, please close the "jgill" account and photos. I had to create "jogill" some time back because of difficulty with the former.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:18pm PT
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Man...hope I don’t loose contact with some OLD friends that I usually keep up with here! I’ve helped some of these buddies via this site.....Mouse being one, got him to Memorials because we were able to hook up via ST. I’ll fer sure have to update my contact list. Good lord, the Bachar, Fonda and Bridwell Memorials were aided via this place. How many of Todd’s fundraisers would have happened without this medium. There IS good with ST, hope it doesn’t dissolve Getting sad!
Peace
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Gnaw Mean
Trad climber
Manzaneeter
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:20pm PT
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Mistaken identity here- Andrew Burch- not to be mistaken with Adam Burch, strictly posts climbing content-two different people
Drew is right. Although if you ask Jim Brennen, everyone is Adam Burch, so technically maybe the tiny burnout of the east is on to something.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:30pm PT
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Pirating someone else's work is one thing, for example scanning an image in a book and posting it. But there are a wealth of images out there in public domain, the operative word being "public." They are not mine, as in I own them, but they are openly available to the public. They are not copyright. Such images range from graphs and charts from the CBO, Pie charts from the California Water Board, historical photographs from years ago, meme's, and so forth.
ST's owner and his operators should clarify their statement before they start pulling images and deleting accounts. Chris Mac cites Federal Law, but he makes no accommodation for material in the public domain, an area which is also codified in law. ST needs to pull it together on this one.
edit: Another question, is scanning articles from long defunct climbing mags a violation of copyright? Some great historical posts here have been copied from out of print mags.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:44pm PT
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Supertopo in a nutshell.
The responses to Chris' original post range from "Thank you, Chris" (tradmanclimbs and bullwinkle) to "F*#k you, Chris" (Jebus H Bomz).
As usual, Nah000 seems to get it right, followed by a few others who reiterate his questions.
Questions to which answers would be appreciated.
Edit to add: Dingus, why did you delete your post? It was worth keeping.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:45pm PT
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It's not Chris - it's some lawyer with an ego - and really the guy who set him to it at that.
Don't be a-holes and hold Chris responsible.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 14, 2019 - 08:55pm PT
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Many (most?) are mfm's photos on the flames
And they are all still there > 46K
Square Bracket with img syntax is apparently now gone
Replace {} with squares [] and bye bye
{Img}https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47611096331_2b3e49a113_c.jpg{/Img}
This keeps the potentially "offending" image off ST
Agreed - it is CMAC's site - the Golden Rule
How about a mass download of one's posted images and a mass delete capability.
Then the poster can review all posted images in leisure time!
If you don't own the photo just hot link it from where the original is located.
Unfortunately sometimes you get a way oversized image with hot links and no longer allowed with the former syntax
... if you want to know how crazy...and irrational... some of this can get, consider the following: If you have an old photo of a family member that was taken by another family member, both of whom are dead, and you...also a member of the family...have possession of the only photo...some labs will refuse to make a copy without the written permission of both the person in the photo and the person who took it! When you tell them the people in question are dead...in some cases long dead...their reaction is that they understand that, but according to the law, they still need their written permission!!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 14, 2019 - 09:00pm PT
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Can of wriggling worms - now my wife comes into this and points out that many of the pictures of me were actually taken by her and she wants them deleted as "I" don't own them. Another 40 pics deleted.
My dogs had their Lawyer call me and ask where are the copies of the model release forms - another 20 pics deleted.
My scenic pictures of my place in the mountains accidentally may have captured some portions of other people's lots - another 15 pics deleted.
The only one I have left is an accidental butt shot of my ass crack which I have also deleted in case Zulily or the Gay Israeli Tourism Board are disturbed.
Now - any idea how to delete myself?
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 14, 2019 - 09:05pm PT
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If you don't own the photo just hot link it from where the original is located.
He said you can't do that
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 14, 2019 - 09:17pm PT
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So if Ansel Adams took the first photograph of some rock and then other people also took pictures of that rock - should they all be compelled to delete their photographs since only Ansel "owned" it?
And these letters I'm using - I have never paid one red cent to an Athenian, a Roman or a Moor - f*#kin thief I am.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 14, 2019 - 09:28pm PT
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They, whoever they are, are taking the position that if I post an image I do not own I am committing copyright infringement. this could not be further from the truth. Not everything is copyrighted, and for good reason.
If there's a lawyer behind this, he's not the clearest glass at the Bar.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 14, 2019 - 09:40pm PT
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totally agree with Ksolem. I kinda dig the oldschool vibe of the setup here, but to fingerwag so broadly and, imo, incorrectly, is rather off-putting.
The recent changes to the ST terms of service had some not-great enhancements of the site's rights to reuse/repurpose/make for-profit use of any uploaded imageries. I don't like this.
the big problem is what damage this no web-photo policy will do to the BULGEMELON thread
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briham89
Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
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Apr 14, 2019 - 09:40pm PT
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Wow I just deleted a lot of Memes. Some real gems in there....
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:09pm PT
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me to deleted whatever was from a source
to bad
it was such a massive waste of time, just like playing human YO_YO
I left the cool photo I used to wish CMac Happy Birthday
a metaphor for something kinda like ? what was it that had us all sharing pictures anyway? what were they of?
I can't remember, is it symptomatic of a medical issue?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:10pm PT
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How do you photograph a train wreck if you’re on it?
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:25pm PT
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Fair use? What if you just photoshop a slight Hitler moustache on all of the models in the pictures you scan and post on the Taco? Just sayin', hypothetically.
something like this??
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