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Tarbuster
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:49pm PT
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Yeah, and some yoga teachers preach that defined abdominal muscles are the antichrist – a show of aggression, like the bearing of clenched teeth …
(and harmful to those who possess them)
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Tarbuster
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 09:00pm PT
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Oh, and yosguns said:
Keeping my mouth shut.
Come on! What you really want to say is: #bringbackwarbler
Because, like, he would totally tackle this topic! And in short order ... Am I right? (heh)
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
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some folks culture the unkempt look.... just saying.
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plasticmullet
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
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She writes a mean article both literally and figuratively. Although I could give sh#t about her narrowly focused views at my current stage in life, if I were my younger self, I would enjoy the opportunity to discuss/debate/argue/talk with her around a campfire. Such are the experiences of youth and self-importance/inflation.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 11, 2018 - 09:42pm PT
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I have much more respect for Alex's achievements now. It was a super-human effort to free solo Freerider carrying all that guilt on his shoulders. What? he did it guilt free? isn't that cheating.
What you really want to say is: #bringbackwarbler
His head would explode reading that rant. For a minute I though warbler hijacked Lynnies account.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 09:59pm PT
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nah000 nailed it, back on one of the threads Ed pointed out above:
oh well... looks like at least a few of us find her ideas worth talking about, so i’m sure she’ll keep writing as long as there is an audience...
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:08pm PT
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Anybody can go climb a rock. Nobody is ever being stopped from climbing because of race or gender. People stop themselves because of fear or a close call or because they don't even know what rock climbing is. Indians can climb if they want to and so can women. The divide on this planet comes down to which cultures decided to industrialize. Those that did are those that have had the most success. White men only? You are ignoring the brilliant Japanese who industrialized and dominated the much bigger China who did not industrialize. The Spaniards used their industrial power to dominate South and Central America. People from Spain are not blue eyed blondes from Norway. Egypt had its day in the sun. Race has nothing to do with any of it. It all comes down to organized culture based on science and invention. Is it right or wrong? Only you can decide for yourself. The OP writer gives so much credit to white men that she is pissing on all the brilliant work women have done. She is ignoring all the great inventions that occurred in Persia. She must think the Chinese who invented gun powder are just what? I think Jimmy Chin is of Chinese descent. How did he get so good at climbing and using technical equipment of the most advanced variety? He did it by education and will of effort like every other person who achieves anything of note. Attacking Honnold is the weakest thing. He's not perfect in every way but who is? He put himself on the line for his own reasons and deserves every bit of glory he is getting. The OP writer is just biting his ankles. I feel sorry for her and others like her who are torn to shreds inside by white guilt. I feel bad for animals that get hunted for sport and people who are enslaved and all the usual obvious things that most people also feel bad about. Is the writer expecting me to give my ropes and gear to the Indians or people of color or a woman like her? I worked hard doing dangerous things with chain saws to afford my gear. I will not give it away just because. I encourage everyone to climb and tap into the inner soul of the DNA monkey past we all share. The OP writer needs to bite off a bigger route than she has ever done because so far she is missing the point. She should buy a new industrial rope with her own money and go clear her head. Some of what she says is in fact accurate but only some of it. I would wager her understanding of the historical facts of the rest of the world outside of the "white" areas is lacking. Go visit a place like Yemen and see how you are treated as a woman. Industrial culture is tough to be sure but it is the gun that has leveled the field for women. Mans physical strength is checked by firearms. Women should learn to use guns and be proud and free instead of cry that men are bad. Only some men are bad and it is almost always good men who are stuffing them. Hitler got stuffed and so did those mean slave whipping Southern plantation owners. The past is gone. You are free here and now. Don't waste the time fretting. Round up your downtrodden friends and teach them the beautiful art of climbing and show them they can be as free as any gross nasty "white man." That is the best medicine you can give yourself. Leave Honnold out of it. He is an example of the best of us. His struggles with women are not uncommon. Things like that take time. If you ask me it seems like he was emotionally abused by his mother calling him a bozo. He got over it and soloed El Cap. The OP writer should try to figure out how he did that instead of bash on him. Check out Lynn Hill.
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Hubbard
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San Diego
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:12pm PT
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I left the above rant tight single space so people who need more education can get used to reading small tight print such as one finds in the encyclopedia. Read the dictionary first as a warm up and then dig in.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:29pm PT
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The article smacks of toxic femininity
privileged white women....amirite?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 12, 2018 - 02:12am PT
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A useless screed. Erin lost me in fewer than ten paragraphs.
I don't believe she knows, really, her audience.
She's an attack dog who is using high-sounding phrases learnt in sociology class throwing a tantrum.
Could have said what she needed to say in half that number of words, probably.
Roy's absolutely right. Cuz he's never wrong. And he's incapable of telling lies. Amiright?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Dec 12, 2018 - 05:52am PT
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*sigh*
She lost me somewhere around the 32nd umlaut.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Dec 12, 2018 - 06:26am PT
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That's a great post Hubbard
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Rattlesnake Arch
Social climber
Home is where we park it
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Dec 12, 2018 - 07:27am PT
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Interesting viewpoint, although totally off base IMHO. Alex is not the devil incarnate. There are more deserved targets in the public domain for her to dissect with her acerbic keyboard.
" But if we relinquish the power we hold due to our privileged positions and identities, whether from class, race, or gender, we open ourselves up to knowing community and joy in the truest sense. "
What exactly does she want us to do, give Yosemite back to the Miwok? Stop donating to the Access Fund? Boycott Free Solo? Would that set things right?
BTW, isn't she misusing the word power according to her leading quote, attributed to Winona LaDuke ?
"Power is not brute force and money; power is in your spirit. Power is in your soul. "
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 12, 2018 - 08:50am PT
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I also like what Hubbard wrote! Sort of a mic drop kind of moment.
Maybe I won't have to channel the Warbler after all. Thank goodness, WAY too much work.
But Mouse:
Roy's absolutely right. Cuz he's never wrong. And he's incapable of telling lies. Amiright? 10 four, Breaux. Except that mostly I just talk sh#t, and that's neither right nor wrong, and all about fun.
Yours,
The Fibber
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 12, 2018 - 08:56am PT
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I read the ‘Ghost notes’, that’s all I needed. I’ll go have me cuppa now and revel in my awfulness.
edit:
Missed Page 2 and Tar talkin’ through his hat. 🤡
Meanwhile 12 people gunned down at the Christmas market in Strasbourg.
Now I feel more guilty.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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What exactly does she want us to do, give Yosemite back to the Miwok?
an interesting idea in managing the park. But to at least part of the point of that article, the representatives of the tribes who traditionally occupied Yosemite Valley have not been consulted regarding the various changes required to implement the latest Merced River Plan.
Consulting the tribes is required as excavation can disturb ancient sites of cultural importance.
But as was pointed out by climbers at a meeting a year and a half ago regarding the Camp 4 expansion/modification, there had been an agreement (or at least a serious discussion) with the Park superintendent in the past limiting the development in the Valley. All the recent activity runs directly counter to the spirit of that past discussion.
What is one to conclude regarding the relationship between all the "stakeholders" in Yosemite Valley? who is a stakeholder, who makes the definition, who is listened to and who ignored?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:09am PT
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perhaps the point that is made is that Life is not fair. Things that should change have been changing at a slow rate, but they have & are changing, it is a three steps forward & 2.5 back, an exercise in frustration.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:21am PT
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BJ queued this up:
I guess an education at Evergreen State College is good for something.
I'm loving it: any excuse at all to post prime BVB real estate, and I'm on it, peeps!
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plasticmullet
climber
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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She writes a mean article both literally and figuratively. Although I could give sh#t about her narrowly focused views at my current stage in life, if I were my younger self, I would enjoy the opportunity to discuss/debate/argue/talk with her around a campfire.
Then you'd put the moves on her.
I'd whisper Native American place names into her ear, check mate!
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