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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 22, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
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Not a fan although it seems like mostly he has good intentions.
He graduated at almost the very bottom of his Annapolis class and seemed to have a very checkered career as a pilot, to put it charitably. Probably never should have been given the keys, so to speak, of any Navy plane, but his daddy and grandaddy were Navy bigwigs and he wanted to play hero, so I suppose that's how the world works.
Then he married the super rich heiress to a beer distributor, so he seems to have a pattern of being a bit of a hanger-on.
Like others here, I completely rejected the notion of possibly voting for him for prez after he selected Palin. McCain seems like kind of a dim bulb himself, and the combined IQ of the two would certainly be the lowest in recent history--they'd make Bush / Quayle seem like good Mensa candidates.
Nevertheless, he apparently acted very bravely as a prisoner, so we have to give him that, it's probably more than many (including myself) would be capable of.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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May 22, 2018 - 12:58pm PT
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Rumor had it that he threw the election because he saw the importance of America electing a black president. Not that he could have won.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
The Ocean
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May 22, 2018 - 02:33pm PT
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I do not need to agree with him..Tragically he was right about the Marines in Beirut. Kinda puts Benghazi in perspective and Iran/Contra...I did not vote for him because he lost his way for a bit.
America is dead, it lost its soul......maybe it's time for a real American to go.
/salute... My deep respect to McCain
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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May 22, 2018 - 02:38pm PT
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A senators votes matter more than his words. McCain often talked a good talk, and would then, with a few notable exceptions, fall in line with his party and vote against his professed beliefs. In that sense he has been a con-man, and in many ways worse than the corrupt shills he allies himself with.
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WBraun
climber
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May 22, 2018 - 04:52pm PT
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You fools appreciated that aszhole Murderer and slaughter of unarmed innocent people in Ukraine that he enabled with those hired neo-nazis.
You fools appreciate that aszhole who prevented the whole POW's who were left behind attempt.
He did everything to fuk over the veterans as a st00pid politard he is.
McCain is a horrible fuking criminal against humanity.
And you st00pid pukes appreciate people like him .....
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 22, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
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A True Hero of the Vietnam War, Humanity and Country by Rev. Emmanuel Charles McCarthy
NAPALM. The most effective "anti-personnel" weapon, it is euphemistically described as "unfamiliar cooking fluid" by those apologists for American military methods. They automatically attribute all napalm cases to domestic accidents caused by the people using gasoline instead of kerosene in their cooking stoves. Kerosene is far too expensive for the peasants, who normally use charcoal for cooking. The only "cooking fluid" they know is very "unfamiliar" – it is delivered through their roofs by U.S. planes.
Some of its finer selling points were explained to me by a pilot in 1966: "We sure are pleased with those backroom boys at Dow. The original product wasn’t so hot – if the gooks were quick they could scrape it off. So the boys started adding polystyrene – now it sticks like sh#t to a blanket. But then if the gooks jumped under water it stopped burning, so they started adding Willie Peter (WP – white phosphorous) so’s to make it burn better. It’ll even burn under water now. And just one drop is enough, it’ll keep on burning right down to the bone so they die anyway from phosphorous poisoning."
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12676 (broken link)
McCain knew that what he was doing was wrong. Three months before he fell into that Hanoi lake, he barely survived when his fellow sailors accidentally fired a missile at his plane while it was getting ready to take off from his ship. The blast set off bombs and ordnance across the deck of the aircraft carrier. The conflagration, which took 24 hours to bring under control, killed 132 sailors. A few days later, a shaken McCain told a New York Times reporter in Saigon: "Now that I've seen what the bombs and the napalm did to the people on our ship, I'm not so sure that I want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam."
Yet he did.
"I am a war criminal," McCain said on "60 Minutes" in 1997. "I bombed innocent women and children." Although it came too late to save the Vietnamese he'd killed 30 years earlier, it was a brave statement. Nevertheless, he smiles agreeably as he hears himself described as a "war hero" as he arrives at rallies in a bus marked "No Surrender."
Is this the smoking napalm confession of a mass murderer? No wonder he is willing to bomb Iran and may even use tactical nuclear weapons to accomplish his goal.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/elections/365077-did-john-mccain-ever-drop-napalm.html
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 26, 2018 - 05:34pm PT
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John McCain’s shocking concession on the Iraq War: it was a “mistake”
In his new memoir, McCain says he’s to blame for the war.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/25/17394466/john-mccain-memoir-iraq-war-mistake
Sen. John McCain has made a shocking admission: The Iraq War was a “mistake,” and he’s taking the blame.
In his new memoir, McCain who is battling brain cancer, writes that the Iraq War “can’t be judged as anything other than a mistake, a very serious one, and I have to accept my share of the blame for it,” as Politico reports.
McCain is among the most hawkish Republicans in the Senate and was an ardent supporter of the George W. Bush administration’s decision to go to war with Iraq and a later US troop surge. As Michael Hirsh writes at Politico:
McCain became, in fact, the first supporter of a “surge,” years before Bush and other Republicans did. “I came out of the Vietnam War convinced that frankly we could have won, and we had it won,” he told me in 2014. “Just as I believed we had the Iraq conflict won after the surge — and for which I sacrificed everything, including my presidential ambitions, that it would succeed.”
why do these people only admit to being wrong after it's too late
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 26, 2018 - 07:19pm PT
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We grew up in Coronado where North Island Naval Air Station is located. The toll on these Navy families during the Vietnam war and what they sacrificed is unimaginable.
Admiral Stockdale's house was blocks from where I lived, a friend's dad had a map of the prison of war camp where he was interned hanging on his wall, my surf buddy's dad was blown off a flight deck loaded with napalm- he declared was MIA.
War orphans, alcoholism, divorce, death, MIA's, PTSD, torture, long deployments- these families suffered. John McCain and his family suffered more than most, a true American hero.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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May 26, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
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so what i gather is that my senator is about 40% less bought than Mccain. Way to go cory!!!
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dirtbag
climber
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May 26, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
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You suck, Jolly Roger.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 26, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
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It's an appreciation thread- his service to this country is beyond reproach.
I don't like his politics at all but that goes for half my family. That can be addressed on another thread.
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WBraun
climber
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May 26, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
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his service to this country is beyond reproach.
For fuking over the veterans for years and years.
You are insane as McCain .....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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May 26, 2018 - 09:05pm PT
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It is reported that:
McCain admits to being a war criminal and says the Iraq invasion was a mistake and takes his share of blame for it.
What's not to appreciate about the guy.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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May 26, 2018 - 09:29pm PT
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I hope I never get "appreciated" on ST.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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May 26, 2018 - 09:35pm PT
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Right, appreciation is tough here!
The young patriot is whom I appreciate.
The old fuk stick that brought us Palin, the surge, the gang of four, fake mavricky sh#t was a sell out- I get it!!!
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Don Paul
Social climber
Denver CO
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May 27, 2018 - 09:45am PT
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The sob didn't even invite me to his political funeral.
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