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Standing Strong
Boulder climber
you're not alone in this story's pages
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Jan 10, 2007 - 01:12am PT
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it seems like german shepards are prone to early death. my friend had two, both of which died within a decade. oh sorry, i'm starting to sound like the narrator of "march of the penguins" aka "and THEN, they DIED".
LEB, have you seen "happy feet"?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 10, 2007 - 01:18am PT
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You CAN cook with turmeric, Lois.
It's one of the ingredients in Seasoned Salt, which I pour on just about everything.
I don't know if it will work for your Dogs, but mine get Frontline every month. When we come home I'm the one bringing back the ticks, they don't seem to want to latch onto the Dogs.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 10, 2007 - 01:18am PT
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Mac,
I see bullet shaped.
YOU see vibrator. lol
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2007 - 01:22am PT
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Thread drift. YAY Happy Feet!! I took my mom to that movie (we do NOT get along, but I try) and within five minutes I was in singing and dancing penguin glee.
That was the simplified version. What really happened was that I was at the dog park with my mutt tossing the rubber frisbee for her (to protect her teeth, ironically) and flirting with this guy a bit. This goes on for an hour and there's this huge German Shepherd (spell it right - sheep-herd minus one "e") wandering around. I'd guess he's around 150. HUGE.
The Fury goes long for the Frisbee in her classic style and launches into the air to catch and I see this GSD going for the Frisbee with his owner placidly watching. I scream, "FURY WATCH OUT!" But she's airborne and the next thing I know, the dogs collide and the Fury is crying (she feels no pain, so I knew something was wrong) and running toward me, frisbee abandoned.
I suspect she committed so fiercely (she does not back off when challenged) to the frisbee that Mass + Velocity for 26lb speeding bullet combined with Mass + Velocity of 150 lb galloot made her bite down really hard on her teeth when she hit him and broke her teeth.
The guy who was flirting with me comes over to survey the damage (which is extensive for a couple teeth) and is like, "Don't dogs' teeth grow back?" And I am like, "NO they don't grow back, they aren't lizards! Oh God, this is going to be expensive, poor Fury!" She is up at this point and running circles around me trying to get me to throw it again (no pain). He's edging away. Damn GSD cost me dogs' teeth, money, and a date. :)
That's the story. No more dog park. I keep letting my tough little dog get sacked and it's not fair to her. Dog people hate dog parks and I always tut them for being so holier than thou, but this was ridiculous. I know of a puppy whose neck snapped when something similar happened, so I'm thankful that didn't happen.
Re: popular sires and inbreeding . . . LEB, I expect more from you than perpetuating the myth that inbreeding is, in itself a source of problems. People inbreed to double up on good and bet they won't get the bad. There is a clean line of Australian Shepherds (but they aren't really stellar on anything) that is PURELY inbred. Totally clean. NO other line is.
As for popular sires . . . with a dog like the Aussie, that's already a problem - there were only 30 or so foundation animals to start with. I figure that if it really gets bad, we can always go to earlier heritage dogs like German Coolies or Tiger Shepherds (Australian Shepherds are really a descendant from an OLD strain of German Shepherds, if you can believe that).
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2007 - 01:29am PT
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Ron, I guess we know where our allegiances lie, don't we?
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Standing Strong
Boulder climber
you're not alone in this story's pages
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Jan 10, 2007 - 01:29am PT
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sorry about your pup kmac.
re "happy feet": i'll have to make a point of seeing that. if anyone would love singing and dancing in penguin glee, it's meee!
p.s. lol @ ron and mak's interpretations of the vanilla bev... it reminds ME of a gnome hat! or a little elf house.
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James
climber
A tent in the redwoods
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Jan 10, 2007 - 01:53am PT
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John,
lots and lots of chocolate milk, gallons a day dude. That's the big secret man.
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2007 - 01:54am PT
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Nope, I don't know less about "hard core" genetics than you. You know less about dogs, dog breeding science, and dog function than I do.
Your fundamental flaw is that you think that inbreeding is the downfall of breeds such as the Golden Retriever, when, in fact, breeding for traits like looks or lack of genetic and health testing by ignorant parties were the downfall.
I don't feel like going into this any further with you. You went into it with a closed mind and I'm not about to pry it open.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 10, 2007 - 02:04am PT
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"...the sheperds (there I did it right this time)"
Lois, you kill me.
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Standing Strong
Ice climber
still decidering
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Jan 10, 2007 - 02:06am PT
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new subject now: the remake of "charlie and the chocolate factory".. has anyone seen it? i don't want to wreck my memories of the first one which i love. and for the record, i totally sympathize with varooka. who wouldn't want their own oompa-loompa?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 10, 2007 - 02:43am PT
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Here you go, Lois.
Just took this pic, 15 minutes ago.
It's a beautiful night, 59*, and it smells like the oranges are starting to bloom.
Molly (the Donkey) is getting better with the Dogs. Last month she had my Dobie Pup cornered. I was thinking "Jesus, she's going to kill that Pup", but all she did was stare at the dog, who was trying to make herself as small as possible.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 10, 2007 - 02:54am PT
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It's supposed to snow here Thursday or Friday. No joke!
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John Moosie
climber
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Jan 10, 2007 - 03:12am PT
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Hey Chaz,
Which part of So Cal do you live in ? I use to live in Fillmore which is inland from Ventura. I lived for awhile on a citrus ranch. I miss the smell of orange blossoms.
One of the coolest things we did on the ranch was ride a manlift to the tops of the Avocado trees. The trees were topped at 40 feet. We could position the manlift so that our heads were just sticking up above the tops of them. We would then swing the manlift so that it was leaning against a treetrunk and the breeze would sway the whole thing. It was like floating in a sea of green. Very fun and a great thing to do on a date.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 10, 2007 - 03:19am PT
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I'm in Redlands, close to Crafton Hills College (or as us alums call it USC, or University of Sand Canyon)
A friend of mine used to live in Filmore. He had a cool place in the middle of a huge orange grove and his job was a Wasp Farmer (Rancher?). He had a big room full of big orange squash, which attracted a form of mite. Wasps ate these mites, and reproduced. He harvested the Wasps and sold them to Organic Farmers as a form of pest control. I thought it was cool.
Back to Turmeric, and what does Turmeric have to do with a Donkey?
The two are connected here in less than 6 degrees of seperation.
I use Donkey manure to fertilize cucumber plants. I make pickles from the cucumbers, and the sweet-pickles recipe calls for, among other things, vinegar, sugar, onions, jalapeno and bell peppers, mustard and celery seed, peppercorns, salt, and TURMERIC.
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John Moosie
climber
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Jan 10, 2007 - 03:33am PT
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Chaz,
What is your friends name? I use to work in that place and collect the wasps off of the banana squash. This was 20+ years ago. The Fillmore insectory. We raised benificial insects.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 10, 2007 - 03:43am PT
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His name is John Freeman.
It wasn't quite twenty years ago, I'm thinking about 15. He has moved on since.
Small freaking world!
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John Moosie
climber
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Jan 10, 2007 - 03:48am PT
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Chaz,
Getting smaller all of the time. The name doesn't ring a bell for me. I use to hang out with the owners son. His name was Pete, but for the life of me I can not remember his last name. Big tall skinny guy, we use to shoot hoops and play volleyball together. That and mountain bike.
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Roman
Trad climber
3 hrs. from Seneca
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Jan 10, 2007 - 08:25am PT
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Turmeric is great. I eat it in everything. Really nice anti-inflammatory....
Maculated, 1/2 tsp per cup of uncooked rice (added before boiling) is a great way to get it into your diet and add color to meals.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jan 10, 2007 - 08:56am PT
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maldaly:
I spent 2 years trying to get my Tib/Fib to heal and took all kinds of supplements. It wasn't 'till 18 months into it that I learned of the evils of caffeine. Basically, it blocks your body's ability to absorb calcium.
Uh-oh, I thought as I read this, setting aside my 2nd cup of coffee. The first hit on Google was more reassuring, though. I'm going to go get refill (with milk).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12204390&dopt=Abstract
"Caffeine-containing beverage consumption has been reported to be associated with reduced bone mass and increased fracture risk in some, but not most, observational studies. Human physiological studies and controlled balance studies show a clear but only a very small depressant effect of caffeine itself on intestinal calcium absorption, and no effect on total 24-h urinary calcium excretion. The epidemiologic studies showing a negative effect may be explained in part by an inverse relationship between consumption of milk and caffeine-containing beverages. Low calcium intake is clearly linked to skeletal fragility, and it is likely that a high caffeine intake is often a marker for a low calcium intake. The negative effect of caffeine on calcium absorption is small enough to be fully offset by as little as 1-2 tablespoons of milk. All of the observations implicating caffeine-containing beverages as a risk factor for osteoporosis have been made in populations consuming substantially less than optimal calcium intakes. There is no evidence that caffeine has any harmful effect on bone status or on the calcium economy in individuals who ingest the currently recommended daily allowances of calcium."
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