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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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What a thread! Climbing AND clever banter...gotta love it!
Fukkin A Hazel! That thing looks scary as heck.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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I thought a clean hoohoo was a good thing Cause it wouldn't be fair if your president had to grab a dirty one?
You're not a dooshnozzle they're too good for you.
You're a Trumpnozzle
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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compare to Book of Hate in Yos.
same grade
Tainted Love is shorter
Tainted Love doesn't have bolts
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Bloody amazing.
I can say that, and more.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Anybody see Stephy Graff last night on America ninja warrior doin the splits between the Cubes? Looked awesome! The boys couldn't do it tho
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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OP introduced the idea by calling out Kevin. Argue his point but realize that, and that he is having fun watching y'all freak out. Me too!
Agree on Trad being overused. I think it's time to retire that word in print.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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it's always interesting when a long standing project goes down!
congrats to Hazel (and sorry for kicking stones down on you and James in the Iota Chimney that day...)
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jstan
climber
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Seems to me we need to imagine an encounter with Ueli in a pub somewhere. And imagine small talk with him over a beer. And imagine how important that encounter would be to us.
And as to the gender based discussion......
My daughter and I were standing looking at a neighbor's thousand pound yearling steer who was born the same day as my daughter. I said to Kristy, "the two of you were born on the same day. What's with you Kristy?"
She replied, "Now daddy. You are being silly again."
On the day of our birth, all of us have nearly everything we will ever need.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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That's cool. She showed the men that she was more mentally able to climb than they were!
But don't hold your breath waiting for them to notice. That kind of thing can be a threat to the safe-space escape of their climbing identity.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Well, one thing's for sure: Kevin doesn't work at google...
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Matt's
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
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Well, one thing's for sure: Kevin doesn't work at google
Has Kevin graduated from high school? Didn't he move to Yosemite at a young age... Those sorts of things make it hard to get a tech job...
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Awesome achievement for Hazel.
Great gender banter by several.
One lesson for me:
(I'll never make a claim in public about driving a one inch anything.)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f
More erudite than most white male oppression screeds, but its core is rooted in some pretty f*#ked up and misogynous pseudo-science.
But then he came up through chess / math / coding as a kid so about par for the course as all three worlds have misogynous elements and histories that are still playing out today. And while I don't know if he's also a gamer, but that world in particular has a long track record of outright hostility towards women.
Having a similar chess / microbiology / software engineering background and having worked in the business for decades I can comfortably say guys like him are unfortunately still a dime a dozen.
Adios and good riddance amigo.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID
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Kevin...If you have "a team", you're doing it wrong.
Good luck.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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I think one of Kevin's main points, which flies in the face of today's gender equality movement, is that there are indeed differences between males and females, thankfully. That's how we got here and it's required a teamwork of males and females because we each have different strengths (as a whole). And it has come to the point where even saying that is blasphemy. We should be celebrating our differences. I for one don't want to live in a mono-gender world.
Arne
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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what if diversity meant that men were appreciated and employed for their strengths
WWE franchises would spring up in every town.
Susan
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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This form of misogyny is entirely ideological vs personal and little different than the beliefs around women in the Mideast. In Damore's particular case he tries to rationalize it with biology, but repeatedly gets it wrong. But then when it comes to male oppression it really doesn't matter a wit whether the 'victims' try to rationalize their beliefs with religion or pseudo-science - they're all starting with a belief women are inferior and working backwards to justify it.
Again, his is more erudite than most, but whether it's typical conservative like him, a southern baptist, or a sunni / shia muslim, it's all the same sh#t different day and that day has passed in corporate governance and policy in this and most industrialized nations.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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ok don the warblioxte [and now with his companion ionlysancha panza]...
looks like you're still tilting at the same windmills... and fighting swordsmen of your own manufacture.
if not, can you guys please name the actual names of the people who say there are no average sex differences?
because i posit those people don't exist, despite your claims that that is what you are fighting...
given how hard you are fighting, you must have whole lists of the feminazis, the heforshes and the dreaded "third wave feminists", who claim that there are no average sex differences other than physical form and socially constructed ones between males and females.
i find it curious because i know a bunch of people from all three categories, including those that i've read on this board, and not.a.single.one makes the argument that you say they/we are making...
but i know, it's much easier to be a successful warrior when you are fighting windmills rather than the actual stated opinions of those you are discussing with. /s
i await your reply...
as per the google doc doc... and here is what i believe is generally understood to be the original
of course you can't see the problem, because he uses the same bait* and switch** strategy that you [the warbler] yourself use.
* [the google dude starts by saying things like These differences aren’t just socially constructed and Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions]
** [and then he proceeds to present a whole list of "facts" that have no little or no scientific founding, but more importantly don't quantify the actual difference, assuming they exist, all while subtly contradicting his opening "bait" points, by subtly and not so subtly arguing and concluding that the differences we see in the tech industry are necessarily due to physical rather than an intermixture of both physical and cultural differences]
i'm tempted to do a line by line to explain, but given you can't see the blatant and regular sexism in your own statements [my personal favorites - but not nearly unique - have, to date, been Women should, and do, revel in the fact that they don't do the stupid, dangerous sh#t men do. or And women have strengths that men will never have - they're just not as obvious. Mens' strengths are mostly overt, females' - not so much.] it'd be a waste of time.
while the google dude presents a much more refined and almost politically correct version of your own overt sexist argument... at its heart it is exactly the same flawed argument that you make...
but don't see this as an admonishment to stop making war with your windmills...
i do, myself, believe their surrender is nigh... ;)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Specific example from the memo, healyje?
Did you read the memo?
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