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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 29, 2017 - 11:39am PT
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I'll be soloing Lembert Dome next week to Save Darfur. Like me!
Now I gotta get back to my hoovering to save my azz!
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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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Jun 29, 2017 - 11:40am PT
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Wait... So I'm not supposed to say I like seeing women climb in booty shorts and Verve tops?
And I shouldn't expect that they're showing off their bodies to be seen? That's just what they wear that's comfortable..
Along the line of GDs thong ascent should I expect that its ok to wear my sporty boxer breifs to the gym because they're comfy? Or would that make people feel weird? I definitely wouldn't want a girl to be staring at my junk. That would make me uncomfortable. She might expect that I want to go on a date or worse rape me.
But I have pretty hairy legs... not sure if that's a turn on. But man I bet I could high step without the restriction of shorts/pants.
Aren't we supposed to be sexually attracted to people that are almost naked?
I think that judgement lies in the eye of the beholder and his or her actions reflect upon the integrity of the person. There are bad people out there for sure. But where do you draw the line and who's choice is that?
YOURS
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jun 29, 2017 - 12:33pm PT
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Will everyone PLEASE stop complaining about booty shorts? The best thing at the crags since the crags! I think there's little doubt they're designed to be sexy, and that's A-O-K with me. On a related note, a billion years ago when my wife and I were cragging at City of Rocks, a fabulously good looking Euro couple was coming down the route we were coming up to do. The woman was lowering in short, baggy, almost-not-there dolphin-style running shorts. Her buns were practically exploding out of her leg loops. Seemed a bit much to me, but that doesn't mean I was able to look away, which, maybe was the point. Oh well. Tempest, meet Teapot. Articles like this make me wanna gag. Yep, Cedar is full-on in support of rape culture. Good gawd. Go climbing and get over yourself.
BAd
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2017 - 01:52pm PT
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Embrace the Boulder lifestyle and see how fast they will turn on you... Home boy should have stayed in the woods of NorCal where men are men and so are the women.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jun 29, 2017 - 04:25pm PT
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yea the real movers and shakers in today's climbing scene are here on supertopo arguing about whether or not alex honnold should be free soloing
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
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It's not whether or not he should be free soloing, it's what it has to do about me that I am interested in.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 29, 2017 - 06:43pm PT
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Well written, thoughtful article that got the predictable amount of disdain from the ST crowd.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Jun 29, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
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Ladies at the crag in booty shorts - not a problem.
Guys at the crag wearing booty shorts - big problem.
And, btw, if you're going to wear the booty shorts, make sure you can rock the booty shorts . . .
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Jun 29, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
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Thoughtful article??? LoL
ST distain or not....
Terrible write-up
Victum = Want
Donini fail
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jun 29, 2017 - 09:08pm PT
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So often in these cases, "questions" asked are in fact not questions at all. An honest question is an inquiry to find out new information, not a baiting ritual or a "set up." Whenever a person asks a question with the "right" answer in their minds, and the person's answer does not square with his/hers, you get what often the questioner was fishing for in the first place: A rhubarb, and a change to bust out a persecution complex and another poor subject as rant bait. All too often this gets fobbed off as activism per sexism. The later is a serious issue that often gets subsumed by anger, which many feel is rightly earned. Seems like one of those loaded issues that few can approach with a clear head. Never seen blaming and rancor ever solve something so explosive.
The issue of booty shorts, seen in the larger context, involves anyone - male or female - who wants to look hot. Who wouldn't if you are toned, fit and 20 years old. Arguing that such threads sends the wrong message begs the question: The wrong message to who? And who is the arbiter of said dress code? The idea that booty shorts promote testosterone poisoning is questionable. Men have been on the prowl long before booty shots hit the market.
Wright's comment about females not being taken seriously if clad in booty shorts seems a bit off base. The larger question is "taken seriously" in what way?
I think the underlying issue is that some take girls in booty shorts very seriously, as potential hook-ups and nothing else. That is an issue for sure, but it's not an exclusive product of a hetero, male, western archetype. That's as ludicrous as feeling it is any man's right to hit on any girl at the other end of your rope, who likely just wanted to go climbing. That's chump behavior - we can easily see why.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2017 - 09:45pm PT
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But would you wear North Face booty shorts?
I don't think I could support that.
Can't wear short shorts without a hillbilly beard...
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jun 29, 2017 - 10:40pm PT
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kudos to cedar for the standup response he posted to the article in question:
Hey! Everyone. Cedar Wright Here. I'm going to repost this here.... originally written on shared on Erin's facebook that linked to this blog post.
Upfront, I want to apologize. I was improvising during the podcast, trying to get a laugh. To be clear, I agree with the other posters that people should be judged on their actions and character and not on what they wear. While this podcast was a few years ago, I believe this comment was in response to someone asking how not to be viewed as a hookup, but as a climbing partner. I should not have said that women should not wear booty shorts. People should be able to wear whatever they want when they climb. I think that this is an important discussion to have and while it is uncomfortable for me to be in the crosshairs, I’m glad that it can promote discussion and bring more awareness to the ways we subconsciously subjugate women. But, I think that something we can all agree on is that the photoshop picture of me and the pope is pretty funny!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2017 - 12:29am PT
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Turns out his words were taken out of context
oh well
back to thongs...........
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jun 30, 2017 - 01:44am PT
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jun 30, 2017 - 06:26am PT
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Good on Cedar for making himself clear.
One of the problems or challenges of addressing these issues is that someone can make inflamatory comments (it's all the "fault" of white, Gringo, hetero males, yada yada) and if you take issue with part of that rant, you are pillored as condoning rape. Glad to see this thread didn't go there.
If nothing else this brought more notice to a real issue - shitheels pestering women. I am associated with a outdoor brand athletic team and I've not only had to sack a few guys who were acting out of line but also have heard more than a few females relate traumatic run ins with people well known in the climbing world who deserve to be taken behind the shed and shot. This goes on much more often then most people are aware of - and I'm not talking about tasteless statements, but sexual terrorism.
Cedar in not remotely in that class - not even. He's always been a stand up, gracious guy and I'm relieved that he's cleared the air in this regards.
But outing predators at the crags should happen sooner than later. You see what shape it leaves people in and you're reach for a machete. Believe me.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jun 30, 2017 - 07:12am PT
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Exactly, Mr. Largo! As anyone who has followed Cedar knows, the comment was a drive-by joke in a flowing conversation, the kind of joke the women make about men ALL THE TIME. The problem with so many commentators these days is a total lack of a sense of humor. This is well documented on college campuses these days with some icons of standup humor refusing to perform at these venues--Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock to name two. Folks need to chill the eff out.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2017 - 10:22am PT
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It looks like you are creating a narrative. Long isn't a bad guy and is cut from a different kind of cloth than the kids are today and may be rough around the edges, and hey this might be the first time he has ever 'replied' to me (just posting in the thread).
Does Long only reply to Ed because he is a man or because he is Ed? I think Ed is a pretty special guy...
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jun 30, 2017 - 11:05am PT
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Largo is condescending to everyone in the "mind" thread, it has nothing to do with gender, it's part of his blowhard over the top schtick, the same "voice" you've read in his climbing writing for decades, but the humor doesn't really translate in the "mind" subject matter, it just comes across as a condescending poser.
How'd this become about me. Rough around the edges... Sort of unaware of how I'm coming off.
Mercy...
Thing about the mind thread is that there is an attitude that many bring to that thread that smugly assumes that so long as an idea is couched in mechanistic terms, it automatically is the shizzle, no matter how logically incoherent it is. ANY contrary position is, to this wood-brained fraternity - more of the "enormous amounts of bullshit" piled on by me and others. That is, the mechanistic angles are "serious," all others being so much bullsh#t. That's so absurd people believing so deserve to get roasted. I make no apologies for doing so.
I have approached that thread from another angle, intentionally couching my response with the same smugness offered by the other camp. This literally fries the circuits of some, who feel such an attitude is rightly earned through quantifications, but is "posing" when coming from another perspective, no matter the sources.
But this thread is about something more important.
That much said, "sexist" is a serious accusation, not to be confused with the fallout from people who have a certain model response in mind as what is "correct" per how people are supposed to talk about all issues female and male. Those are the posers in my book.
What's more, when you question a theme, idea or position from someone who is incidentally a woman, and the "reason" given for you to have taken issue in the first place is because you are a privileged white hetero male (NOT the issue), you deserve to get dissed as a troll, because that's what you are.
It is not axiomatic that when you take another angle than that offered by a female, you are sexist etc. Anyone taking this position fits Churchills definition of a fanatic: A person who can't change their mind and can't change topics.
And Kevin, my brother. Easy. As we speak, a bevy of snarling viragos are jabbing hatpins into a felt likeness of your person.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
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Nothing wrong with being rough around the edges, dawg. Most of us here are. Or are you a big ol softy, quick to love and long to dismiss?
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