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Mimi
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:43pm PT
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But you already have!
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willem
climber
CO
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:43pm PT
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Did you know that all breeds still share about 99% homology in their DNA.
A lot of breeds started off with a hodge podge of different breeds to come up with a prototype. The failure of AKC is promoting breeding based on looks versus preformance. That being said, a dog has to be AKC papered to compete in agility trials. The AKC tries to prohibit showing of dogs with some genetic faults (though i think some unscrupulous people will still try and get around this).
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
St. Louis
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:47pm PT
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long term high pressure ---> insanity
:)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:06pm PT
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Oh good grief.
CRIMPIE, you forgot to give doctor 5 cents!
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:17pm PT
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Give me crossbreed vigor every time.
Why can't wolves bark?
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:21pm PT
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Now there's a question!
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Ouch!
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:26pm PT
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"I'll have tenure, but I'll be insane. Yikes."
It's so nice to be insane
no one asks you to explain
That might make a nice song.
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willem
climber
CO
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:42pm PT
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Wolves can vocallize. They only really have about 4 different vocalizations though. Domestic dogs are more prolific vocalizers because domestic dogs are bred to maintain juvenile appearances and manners.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:01pm PT
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Wolves definitely vocalize, they just don't bark. Your explanation makes sense... but then why do coyotes make distinctly different sounds than wolves? Too much dog in the Coyote?
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willem
climber
CO
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:12pm PT
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dogs and wolves are close relatives, likely dogs descended from a common ancestor of the north american wolf. brain isn't working so i can't remember if coyotes have the same number of chromosomes as dogs (i want to say yes).
dogs and wolves share about 95% genetic homology. (just in case you liek facts and figures)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:32pm PT
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Good point on the size. I've never pet a coyote but I have pet a wolf and his head was so big that both of my hands would fit between his ears with my fingers inches behind his eyes.
Nice photo! I miss having a dog to ski with.
Alobar Golden/Collie/Misc RIP
as a pup
My daughter's dog;
Midnight
dwarf newf, as far as we can tell. She's bigger and he's older looking now than in this ten year old photo
But back to Ask Lois,
If Dostoyevsky had taken Depakote™ to curb his siezures, would it be likely that he would have been able to write as many books of as deep a nature as he did?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:10am PT
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Sheesh, you go away for a beer, and another 40 posts pop up. I ask you.
'I worked with a very reputable breeder to produce the "puppy"' - It's possible that we don't need to know more about exactly how this happened.
"I'll have tenure, but I'll be insane. Yikes." Is that a result of inbreeding, as discussed up thread? The academic kind, I mean.
I know some cute and fuzzy people who really like lizards, even snakes. (And critters.) Says something about the personalities of the lizards, their owners, or both.
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john hansen
climber
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:11am PT
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LEB ,it is strange that you seem to have this fixation on dogs and wolves, is there some inner part of you that feels a connection with these animals? I understand your argument that dogs are good to have around, but wolve's seem like a bad idea to me as they can cause much trouble in one's life. Are you aware that wolves kill many deer?
I sense some hostility from you , allthough I don't know why it would be directed towards me , you should channel your energy into more productive areas of your life.
I have tried to be fair with the people here, but still have tried to voice my opinion in a kind of robotic sort of way, knowing that not all will agree with me . My remarks have sometimes been misinterpeted and used against me , I have tried to carry on mature discussion's of the pertinent subjects.
My life has been one of frieght trains, music, climbing with ledgends, and becoming one myself,,,and,,, a black belt.
LEB = OLI Pat Ament
There's my best try at imitating the great ones.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:21am PT
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Yes, hybrid vigour is a good thing. Friends have had inbred dogs of various kinds - German Shepherds the classic example. Susceptible to all sorts of unpleasant heredity problems.
Do cats have similar inbreeding problems? There are certain kinds, e.g. the Siamese, known for certain behaviours and even physical characteristics/deformities (deafness, stumpy tail..). But it seems far less common than with dogs.
A cat at a cat show must be rather conflicted. On the one hand, being in front of worshipful human slaves. On the other hand, the affront to their dignity of having to "compete" with other cats, and indeed be primped to do so.
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
St. Louis
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:47am PT
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Hey Maculated - nice to see you.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:55am PT
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Lois, abhorrent or abarrent? Seizures Are abhorent in any case.
But I mentioned this because several of my, ah associates, take depakote prophylacticly to stave off their seizures. The warnings on the bottles are pretty dire and it definetly seems to make them spacier afterwords. My question was along the lines of what you said concerning phenobarb, not that seizure activity would lead to creativity or hard work or anything like that. (-Though, I bet that research has never been done!) more that maybe the cure, cures too many things.
Back to Dogs
Alobar's mom was a daughter of show dog golden Ret, and a similar pedigree collie. Al's dad was good at jumping fences. I think Al's blueblood heredity worked against him in the long run.
He was quite the athelete, good catch a frisbee over my head (50lb dog) ran countless 15 mile trail runs with me, could get into climbing places we had to rappel into (The labyrinth in the supes, Paradise forks (with a tiny bit of help.))
But,
he only lived to be 7. And his seven litter mates all had similar lifespans.
yeah, I think crossbreed (hybrid?) vigor is the way to go.
JH, Maybe Lois is one of those, "Women who run with Wolves"?
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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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Dec 20, 2006 - 01:13am PT
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LEB,
I apologize if this has been covered upthread. I haven't read all the posts yet. That said...
I've quite enjoyed our conversations. You're a wonderfully rich and diverse person. Where would you suggest I go to find more people like you? Are there nursing forums where I might engage in political, religious, environmental, and pet discussiosn? Would they be as bright and engaging as you?
I've come to realize lately that there's just too much climbing discussed here. I long for the endless OT rants and your sly "play it on both sides of the coin" troll the troll fests.
Oh, don't worry, I'll be back from time to time. I just need more than you can give me right now.
Best,
EpLEBc
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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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Dec 20, 2006 - 01:44am PT
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LEB wrote, "...I don't know if I answered your questions. - "
Better than you can possibly imagine ;) You're truly one of a kind. (or are you two...?)
Nevertheless, I read an interesting snippet on the elevator news/ad box at work today. Innovative people tend to be happy people but are not typically the type of people able to solve long, complex problems, requiring long periods of concentration. Does that mean the real "problem solvers" among us are sad?
pc
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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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Dec 20, 2006 - 01:51am PT
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Are you happy?
edit: Actually what I should have said above is "not happy", could be sad, mad, content, etc. I just implied from the snippet that "problem solvers" must not be "happy". Tried to find the article they were referring to but couldn't.
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