US national policy issues looming after healthcare?

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Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Mar 26, 2017 - 09:50pm PT

Let's see who knew what they were doing in running the country:

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survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Mar 27, 2017 - 10:00am PT

I don't really dig all the political name calling that sometimes accompanies these threads, but:

1) Some people (NutAgain) actually try to elevate the conversation and keep it focused on the issues at hand.

2) Political discourse has it's place, even on a climbers forum.

3) Let's face it, some of the issues facing our nation are more important than climbing.

Clip of the day: Ted Koppel tells Hannity that he's bad for America to his face because "You have attracted people who have determined that ideology is more important than facts."

Go Ted.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/03/27/ted-koppel-sean-hannity-cbs-sje-mobile-orig.cnn

Lollie

Social climber

I'm Lolli.

Mar 27, 2017 - 10:23am PT

i HATE APPLE. INDEED I HATE THIS WORTHLESS LOUSY IDIOT Thing WHICH IS CALLED Ipad.

That wasn't the original post, but as it disappeared you got a frustrated screaming instead.
My apologies, but it's the plain truth.

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Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Mar 27, 2017 - 01:17pm PT

Biden would have been OK

But I lost all respect after I found out that he sold out to the Banksters and made it impossible for College loans to be subject to bankruptcy

Biden Backs Legislation Preventing $150 Billion of Student Loan Debt from being Discharged or Renegotiated

http://projectcensored.org/biden-backs-legislation-preventing-150-billion-student-loan-debt-discharged-renegotiated/

if your policies make people suffer, then they are not truly Christian.

Christian/Liberal policies REDUCE Suffering, not increase it

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Mar 27, 2017 - 02:09pm PT

Commentator Tomi Lahren’s time is apparently over at TheBlaze, according to a new report from the New York Post’s “Page Six.”

Glenn Beck’s network suspended the 24-year-old Lahren’s show, “Tomi,” last week after she called anti-abortion conservatives “hypocrites.”

“I’m pro-choice,” Lahren said during an interview on “The View” earlier this month, “and here’s why: I can’t sit here and be a hypocrite and say I’m for limited government but I think that the government should decide what women should do with their bodies.”

so many hypocrites on the right

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Mar 27, 2017 - 02:44pm PT

Don't like abortions
Don't have one

Case Closed

Unless you want to be a hypocrite and have the Government force people to comply with your selfish religious beliefs that Control What Women can and can't do.

In other words, make women suffer!
So it's not a Christian policy, it's a Big Government Right Wing Male Dominance Policy

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2017 - 03:49pm PT

Safe working conditions going into the toilet... why even bother with OSHA at this point if the government will still do big contracts with companies that cut corners to save money while injuring and killing employees?

http://thehill.com/regulation/325963-trump-repeals-blacklisting-rule

I wonder how the Trump supporters here fall (see what I did there?) on this issue. Say you work for a nation-wide window washing company that makes you rap in on 4mm cord. Heck, only 0.1% of the 10,000 workers in the company die each year, but they save $2M in materials. And they win the government contracts because they have the lowest price! Do you think that would be reasonable? Do you think our government has any responsibility toward its citizens in terms of hiring companies that follow the laws, that create safer working conditions for its employees?

Here is a real life example of the crappy company behavior that will be unleashed by this repealed regulation. Nothing to be happy about.
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2016/03/13059/safety-violations-billion-dollar-contractor-bae-systems-should-have-disclose

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Mar 27, 2017 - 04:20pm PT

I've got a theory about the failed health care bill...

It's a mistake to underestimate Trump. What he just did was to get healthcare off the table.

My opinion is that Trump doesn't give two sh*ts about health care, and the last thing he wants is to spend the rest of his first term getting tied up in knots over how to replace the ACA. So he's willing to take a black eye (in the view of the public and the pundits) to get it out of his way.

All this talk about this being a rookie mistake is just that, talk. He's got two highly experienced Washington insiders on his flank: Ryan and Pence. Their bill was bound to fail, too far right for Democrat support and not radical enough to fly with the tea partiers. So, for all purposes, they tabled the healthcare subject for the foreseeable future.

If you don't think the guy can be shrewd, read up on how he won Wisconsin without setting a foot in the state. Talk about a sandbag...

But if he loses the Gorsuch nomination he'll be damaged badly. So the Democrats were originally going to be soft on the Gorsuch nomination, to keep their powder dry for the next one. But seeing the opportunity to cause serious damage they're changing their focus to the current battle. Trump is effectively gambling his success on getting Gorsuch through, and the battle is going to get bloody.

Just a thought...

c wilmot

climber

Mar 27, 2017 - 04:38pm PT

Nutagain- the gov does not care about its own workers. They are on of biggest offenders in terms of employee abuse. You lose your workers comp claim? You appeal to the gov tou got injured working for. When I contacted them about my case- they only wanted to know how I had found their contact info.

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2017 - 04:39pm PT

A perfect follow-up story to what we will get more of with the worker safety and government contractor issue:
Inside Alabama’s Auto Jobs Boom: Cheap Wages, Little Training, Crushed Limbs - Bloomberg
https://apple.news/A83SeIUsPT9Gq34T1klzcaQ

c_wilmot, do you think the solution is to give up on the concept of worker protections entirely, or to fix the places where the ideals of protecting workers are not met? When you hurt a finger at work, do you chop off a different one to spite the first one for making you feel pain?

P.s. Sorry you had to deal with a claim and even more sorry it was difficult to deal with against our own government

c wilmot

climber

Mar 27, 2017 - 04:59pm PT

I would say the gov should work on protecting its own employees first. Does the gov actually care about workers ? Not from the first hand experiences I have had. And that's at both the federal and state level.
When a worker died on a job site I was on OSHA came in and spent most of their time fining my uncle for minor violations related to painting rather than investigating the cause of the fatal accident - which had nothing to do with my uncles company. It was obvious they were there strictly for show- they didn't make anything or anyone safer. The worker who was the victim remained dead

I understand osha is important and it should stay - but we lead workers in to believe the gov can keep you safe or at least will protect you if injured on the job but that is just not the case.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Mar 27, 2017 - 06:07pm PT

Trump's a fish out of water , a one trick pony.. He's pretending he's still in the private sector playing poker with other rich people's money.. The right wing nut jobs in congress just handed him his ass on Trumpcare.. More proof that corporate wanna be businessmen should avoid governing as a second career..

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Mar 27, 2017 - 06:08pm PT

Trump's first major policy negotiation was a total failure. Trying to spin it any other way is just ..... Sad!

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Mar 27, 2017 - 06:14pm PT

so wilmot's uncle is the fed?

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Mar 27, 2017 - 06:18pm PT

3) Let's face it, some of the issues facing our nation are more important than climbing.

+1

Keep in mind that if trump gets his way and starts selling off public lands, the number of climbing locales will probably be reduced.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Mar 27, 2017 - 06:41pm PT

rump's first major policy negotiation was a total failure. Trying to spin it any other way is just ..... Sad!

If you're referring to my remarks, I'm not trying to spin anything. My only point is that other than a "black eye," as I called it, the whole scenario plays to his hand unless he loses the Gorsuch fight.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Mar 27, 2017 - 06:44pm PT

Some Republicans that met in private with Trump over the GOP health care bill were shocked how ignorant he was about the provisions in the bill.. Guess they thought they were dealing with a brain surgeon...? Republcian voters who were interviewed said they hated Obamacare but loved the ACA..