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SofCookay
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Jstan, I live in JT during the winter and I am more than happy to help with clean-ups. I will be here until the end of April so if you need a volunteer for any clean-ups before then, please drop me a line.
Sonya
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jstan
climber
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Sonya:
Very much appreciate your interest. On such short notice I don't expect you to adapt your schedule. By 11AM I plan on beginning trucking the trash and wood away. On the chance you can help and find me not there I will leave a rake to use in raking up ashes after pulling slash away from the ashes. If the rake is not there yet you can pull the slash away from the ashes. Lots to do!
PS Someone trying to drive in on the road from the east got hung up on the wash that cuts that road. The west entrance from Hillview is exciting but still drivable approached up Hillview from the north. I am thinking now the slash can be used to make both entrances more than dumpers are interested in negotiating.
Supposed to have rain on Sunday. Will post again at the end of today.
John
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, jstan, and sofcookay... wow, good hearts...
good work, and may you succeed...
and hopes for the long term, as well...
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jstan
climber
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Jebus:
In the beginning the landowner, Wally, and Robert Fonda elected at no personal gain to move a hella lot of dirt so that climbers could stay there at no cost. While there were people there residential trash was not a problem.
The county decided this use of the property could not continue. That decision does not change the fact our community benefitted and, in all fairness, we should do what we can to return the favor. I am sorry you feel you personally did not benefit enough for you to recognize the favor that was offered. But that is your problem.
Today all the residential trash was taken out, The ashes left after some slash was burned, was raked into piles ready for burying, Those areas will then be top dressed with clean sand so as to be largely restored. Slash useful for vertical mulching of the access roads has been separated and laid out so as to be accessible. The remaining small brush will be run through a chipper shredder. After this has been completed we will search out and remove wind blown trash everywhere on the 18 acres. A couple of years ago I, Robert, and a youngster using the Pit cleaned the whole parcel, so this will be just a refresh.
Years ago I did a little climbing and there the ideal was to leave no sign of your passing. That was very satisfying and I find the present work just as satisfying. But everything we do here is clearly a visible improvement. It's a different game.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Still paying ore for "free wifi" ... I heard that, that you can buy stuff with gold dust and nuggs.
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SofCookay
climber
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Jstan, I apologize for not seeing this in time as I don't visit ST that often. Does the email work through here? Better to shoot me an email and I'll make every effort to come lend a hand.
Sonya
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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The Pit WAS a unique place and situated in a location that really did require users to follow the KNOWN and even POSTED(by JStan himself, as a courtesy - he printed out the OWNER's guidelines and posted at the Pit)) guidelines.
People refused to do so. If those who were more "in residence" said anything they got in a kerfuffle. "Who are YOU to tell ME what to do." People parked their cars up on the visible above grade area, where they were not supposed to, rather than park down low, because it was "too crowded." They would not early rise and as neighbors were up and about, there on the horizon behind their homes would be cars parked.
There was also some reports of house break-ins happening in the neighborhood in 2013, and though I sincerely doubt that had anything to do with people using the Pit, it is reasonable that people would at least consider that possibility.
It was a good thing while it was available, and too bad it ended. But Wally was very generous for many years.
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jstan
climber
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Happi:
My email is out and will remain so until I get a more modern computer. If you have the capability and the time you could do me a huge favor. Could you contact Wally at 510?
To solve the trash problem I am thinking we need to prevent vehicular access. BTW the rain has already impeded approach from the east. Before I do anything I need to contact Wally and ask two questions?
1. Does he want the two roads shut off? Following the MDLT I propose to use vertical mulching.
2. Do those roads lie on an easement? Shutting off a road on an easement causes legal problems.
There are two kinds of easements.
Dedicated: These are called out on the grant deed and required by county policy stating one exists on each border of a parcel( 33 feet wide unless 44 feet wide on a section boundary). If Wally owns two unjoined parcels the access roads could be on an easement.
Prescriptive easement: Since Wally knew about the roads and their use, as I understand the law, I doubt this easement is a factor.
Cokay:
Sorry about all the rush. Today I am going to be dealing with the ashes, collecting materials for the mulching, and time permitting shredding the small brush. The mulching starts only after Happi gets a go ahead from Wally.
Jebus etal:
You all have viable arguments. But the fact is the Pit existed and we need to deal with it. I have heard some of the neighbors preferred there be people on the site. Fewer problems from locals that way. I do see more signs of cookie cutting, trash dumping, homeless occupation, and dirt biking since it was closed.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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JStan - Perhaps someone who knows Wally can get in touch with him by telephone. I have personally never met him, and though I don't want to give false information, I understand he isn't with that company at this time. I can try calling Clark Jacobs, who's staying at the Ranch, and see if he can relay your message, but maybe someone else, as I said, can get a more "direct line" for you.
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jstan
climber
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Happi:
Forget my request entirely. While working today I saw evidence local residents are using the access road routinely and people are even walking their dogs there as if it was a public park. There will be no closing off of the access roads. Controlling of trash will be like it is everywhere else - a maintenance activity.
It took a day but I dealt with the ashes left over from the burn. When I am done photos will follow. All the slash has to be chipped up and the rest of the 18 acres cleared of litter.
Done.
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jstan
climber
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Yesterday I buried the ashes and top dressed the area with clean sand. The clean sand was moist so it can be seen in today's photo.
All of the brush has been shredded and left as mulch. Cleaning trash from the entire eighteen acres will be done later as time becomes available.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Jun 21, 2017 - 09:09pm PT
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Once again....
FREE FIREWOOD AT THE PIT!!!!!!!!!!!
Some ADHD dip stick has dumped a bunch of wood in the Pit again. All sorted and waiting for pickup! Looks like maybe Chinese Elm? Pine? Rounds to kindling... And a tweaker table to rest at while you load your trailer.
Who wants it? Go get it.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jun 21, 2017 - 09:23pm PT
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Doesn't the Marine sniper school practice there? If not, they should. Each dumper gets a rubber bullet in the arse.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Jun 21, 2017 - 10:36pm PT
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i was informed by jstan that this "free" firewood was dumped off there because the tree from the firewood was attacked by bark beetle. I am not an expert on this...but do you really want some firewood that has a disease that might spread to YOUR trees if you take it home. This seems like a logical question to ask oneself;....Jstan requested me to post this;...his computer is getting old like John and myself;...and doesn't take his posts anymore. Happy summer!. If you are at the pit now....you are enjoying our 120 degree weather. Lovely.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Jun 21, 2017 - 10:48pm PT
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Great... let's encourage dimwits to camp out and have a fire.... If the pit is closed, how about not providing "services"? Can't have it both ways ya'll...
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jstan
climber
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Jun 23, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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I seem to have figured out how to get round what was blocking my posting.
Great... let's encourage dimwits to camp out and have a fire.... If the pit is closed, how about not providing "services"? Can't have it both ways ya'll...
You may remember the burning of a previous landscaping dump at the Pit that left a huge scar. Clearing up that scar doubled the number of days work it took me to restore the area. Why do I “provide services?”. Here's why...
In the late 60's the dystrophic among us said there was no hope of reducing the use of pitons. That I was crazy to try. As it turned out it worked because climbers were ready to change.
Drive up Quail Springs road. Fancy new houses everywhere you look. The JTNP reports park visitors are leaving over a hundred million dollars each year in the local economy. Joshua Tree is changing, Go down to the visitor center. People are coming from all over the world.
That's not the only change. Last week the JT Clean Team removed a dumped sofa near Sunburst. The team got a call from a resident nearly in tears; so happy we had made her world a little better. The people in JT are ready for a change.
We get many such expressions of support. Between the Clean Team and the Yucca Valley Improvement Team I estimate we take out one hundred tons of trash each year, I'm betting having Wally's parcel become a local dump is not part of the future.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Jun 23, 2017 - 11:06am PT
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That's a lovely story JStan... but WTF does it have to do with a dumped load of wood at the pit? Did you dump it there? That would be a weird turn of events.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Jun 23, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
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"The Pit" is still a pit. Color me surprised.
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jstan
climber
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Jun 23, 2017 - 11:13pm PT
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Should not be a problem. The Mitsubishi cement plant burns 6000 tires each day.
Edit:
Now that you are retired this will make a good first new activity for you. Ramos' assistant is based over at Whitefeather. He is probably the one who can get you an appropriation from San Bernardino county for transport of these tires.
The Clean Team can play a role so there won't be tipping fees. You are one lucky dude, Locker. What a great opportunity!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 24, 2017 - 05:57pm PT
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Seems like good firewood to get the next cleanup burn pile going.
If someone is willing to go clean up that place, seems like he should get an award.
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