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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jan 28, 2017 - 05:18pm PT
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It isn't trespass unless it is private property.
Wait a minute...
Oh, and posted according to the legal guidelines?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2017 - 09:41am PT
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condos on kingfisher anyone?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 29, 2017 - 11:02am PT
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Why aren’t all of our Idaho lawmakers protecting our outdoor jewels?
Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article129078079.html#storylink=cpy
By Ted Eisele in The Idaho Statesman Newspaper.
Idahoans love their public lands. I have yet to meet anyone who isn’t upset by plans to take them from us and offer them to the highest bidder.
But who leads the charge to keep these lands of leisure and recreation?
In the past Idaho has enjoyed leadership when it came to our outdoor heritage. Whether it came from Ted Trueblood, Sen. Frank Church or Gov. Cecil Andrus, fellow Idahoans gave us representation and voice.
Who leads us now? Despite the overwhelming support for public lands, our congressmen have been disappointingly quiet on the matter. Recently Congress passed rules with explicit language to allow the sale of public lands. Idaho Republican Reps. Raul Labrador and Mike Simpson voted for it. Who are they representing? Not me.
Labrador also brazenly introduced a bill in Congress last year to help the sale of public lands. Does he not realize how much Idahoans love their public lands? Does he not care?
Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, says he supports changes in the way public lands are managed but wants to keep them in public hands. If he wants these lands to be managed by the state, is he aware that Idaho has sold more than 40 percent of the lands it has owned? Or that state lands are not managed for multiple purposes? In fact, they often have “No entry” signs on them.
Gov. Butch Otter has at least said that he no longer supports the movement because he has “seen the bill for firefighting on those lands.” That seems a rather obvious concern; have our congressmen not seen those bills? Perhaps they should.
And in the Idaho Legislature, Judy Boyle has promised to introduce numerous bills to move lands to the state. Who is she representing?
Meanwhile, Idaho’s would-be thieves are watching Utah, as troublemakers there are the leaders of this movement. In the past week, Utah, which hosts the national outdoor retailers trade show (which brings in $40 million), found out it risks losing that show if it continues to back the war on public lands. The industry accounts for 120,000 jobs in Utah’s economy — why are your representatives gambling with your livelihoods, Utah?
And Idahoans watching this should consider how important outdoor recreation is to us. It’s our third-largest industry. Utah’s got nothing on us. Our public lands are used over and over to access whitewater rafting, rock climbing, mountain biking and so much more. To snowmobile, ski, camp, hunt, go target shooting and just connect with the natural world.
Idaho’s elected officials wouldn’t do anything that could harm our farmers; why don’t they protect our third-largest industry?
Picture yourself a year from now going to a favorite spot only to find locked gates and “no trespassing” signs? That’s not our way of life. But if these lands are sold, will rich buyers from out of state let you cross their lands? Don’t bet on it.
Why are our representatives not protecting our public lands? Who speaks for us?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 29, 2017 - 11:16am PT
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Selling federal land is the latest corporate welfare scam...Natural resource extraction on purchased government property.. then sell it back after they've raped it so that the tax payers can clean up the mess..What a great idea...Trump is more clever than the people who voted for him...but not by much...
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2017 - 11:18am PT
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They are the employees of we, the people. This is OUR land. It is not "suitable for disposal."
The Department of the Interior exists to shepherd and protect our federal lands, not sell them off to private or state entities that have neither the ability nor interest to manage them.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 29, 2017 - 12:23pm PT
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My friends, its called the Looting of America. Its been going on for quite some time now by Wall Street, under both Republican and Democrats. Its just now they have seized control so completely and militarized the police to suppress any dissent, that they feel they don't need to hide it anymore.
Meanwhile the marches and the protest which do absolutely nothing go on, to distract the populace from focusing on the real issue of the corruption of the Democratic party leadership. Sad times for our country.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
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The sponsor of the bills in question concurs with your analysis Studly. Mostly.
You might note that the Democratic Party is not in power, so perhaps consideration of potential corruption of the Alpha Party is a bit more worthwhile ATM. I do concur that the Dems are f*#ked, but, well, they're not the ones introducing this sh#t. Or with the power to enact it as law.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 29, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
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So you're in denial also cowboy?
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c wilmot
climber
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Jan 29, 2017 - 12:43pm PT
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It's so lame that a group of supposed nps workers thinks their viewpoint represents the agency as a whole. Obviously they can't comprehend why the twitter account got shut down in the first place.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 29, 2017 - 12:55pm PT
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My friends, its called the Looting of America. Its been going on for quite some time now by Wall Street, under both Republican and Democrats. Its just now they have seized control so completely and militarized the police to suppress any dissent, that they feel they don't need to hide it anymore.
Meanwhile the marches and the protest which do absolutely nothing go on, to distract the populace from focusing on the real issue of the corruption of the Democratic party leadership.
Well, that's a completely delusional stringing together of exaggerated half truths to come to the correct conclusion that the looting of America is under way. But other than that conclusion the rest is just outright moronic bullsh#t.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
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in denial also cowboy?
that's a negatory there Studly. concur on the looting and concur that signs/slogans/marches do nothing. You might notice pertinent contact info that I shared on the last page. You might speak up to those bought-and-sold "representatives."
And Wilmot, you might consider the official stated mission of the NPS: "to preserve unimpaired the natural and cultural resources and values of the Parks for the enjoyment, education, and inspiration of this and future generations....to extend the benefits of natural and cultural resource conservation and outdoor recreation throughout this country and the world."
(my emphasis)
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c wilmot
climber
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Jan 29, 2017 - 01:23pm PT
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It's a basic policy of not expressing a political view as the nps is not supposed to have one.
Trying to politicize the nps is a poor idea on many levels
I personally am against the land grabs
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
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agree that politicizing NPS ain't great, but at some point folks will see the onslaught against public lands as too threatening to keep silent. anonymous non-official statements from NPS servants are legit free speech IMO
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2017 - 01:36pm PT
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this land is your land, this land is my land
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2017 - 05:25pm PT
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blm disposable lands bump
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 30, 2017 - 09:32pm PT
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Prime space for some estates when this chunk of OUR federal lands gets sold to fat cat investors by Congress.
Isn't it time for YOU to get active?
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Jkruse
Trad climber
Las Cruces, NM
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Jan 31, 2017 - 09:01am PT
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I take heart in that this seems to be one issue uniting people from across the aisles. No matter your political leanings, a lot of people feel strongly about maintaining these places as they are. I have taken the time to write my representatives and probably need to start making some phone calls. Living in New Mexico, public lands are a huge and wonderful resource I make use of constantly. Would be a shame to see this short sighted plan come to fruition.
http://www.whoismyrepresentative.com
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell"
-Ed Abbey
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 31, 2017 - 05:25pm PT
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In a "worst-case" blow to the future of OUR public lands, this news broke today.
WASHINGTON —
Idaho Republican Rep. Raul Labrador won a new assignment on Tuesday when he was named to lead the House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.
Republican Rep. Rob Bishop of Utah, who heads the House Natural Resources Committee, made the announcement.
“As a Westerner, Congressman Labrador understands the importance of natural resource issues to our states, communities and economy,” Bishop said.
Labrador, 49, who won a fourth term in November, said he was “honored to lead this subcommittee and help hold federal agencies accountable.”
“Idaho and the West have suffered under misguided and overreaching policies that hurt rural communities and our natural resource economy,” he said.
The subcommittee has oversight over a wide range of issues, including public lands, irrigation and reclamation, relations with Native American tribes, national parks and national cemeteries, mining, fisheries, wildlife and coastal management.
Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/article129882344.html#storylink=cpy
I posted this retort:
Why does this man want to take Our public lands away from us & ultimately sell them to the highest bidder? It appears a large majority of folks in Idaho really enjoy hunting, fishing, & recreating on our public lands. As a politician, Labrador should be made aware of that fact.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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to some humans this is wasteland. to those of my line it is priceless wasteland. be it so that my line may continue trampin' where the mud is thick, the rock is sh#t and the people are few.
this is OUR land
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