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Mtbphoto
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
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Jan 11, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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I have an Arcteryx jacket, I think I have 5 or 6 seasons wearing it. I got it for cheap on pro-form but the jacket retails around $550 back then. I have gotten over 400 days of skiing in it and its still in great condition. The jacket fits me perfectly and has the features I want, and the thing is still 100% waterproof. If it got stolen I would gladly buy another one.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 11, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
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Moose.....C*#k roaches have a greater R-Value than wool...FYI
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:41pm PT
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Hey Moose, I don't know if it relates to psoriasis or a coincidental allergy, but my skin can't stand wool. I know within 2 seconds or less if I put on a wool sweater or wool socks, etc. just gives me an instant itchy funky get-it-off-me feeling. If it came down to that or freeze to death I'd probably deal with it.
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 12, 2017 - 01:46am PT
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Thanks GCF
"""Good observations on the event fabric peater
This one deserves more attention by gear manufacturers"""
The problem is that the best thing that Gore does is marketing. Patagonia and others with their custom versions as well.
Unfortunately most people shopping will buy something with a marketed label.
To explain it briefly, all shell fabrics need to be glued together. All the layers breath fine before the glue is applied. The gluing makes them stop working. Event sticks them together in a way that is way better than the others.
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Barbarian
climber
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Jan 12, 2017 - 11:04am PT
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I've been using pretty much the same setup for 35+ years-
Warm conditions (above freezing):
T shirt, long sleeve shirt, $25 Costco soft shell jacket (the only "new" innovation).
Normal conditions (15f and above):
Base layer, fleece, shell (I've never spent more than $100 for either the fleece or the shell).
Cold conditions (below 15f):
All the above with a Black Ice down parka ($275 in 1980 at the Yosemite Mountain Shop, but was a gift from a friend, so $O for me).
Never cold. Don't care what I look like.
I was always the most frugal guy I knew (translated: dirt cheap SOB) as I never had any money BITD. Brands don't interest me. Still a dirtbag after all these years.
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Gunks Ray
Trad climber
Gunks
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Jan 12, 2017 - 11:34am PT
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Now this is a pricey ski jacket, makes all those sub $1,000 Pataguchie, Arcteryx jackets seem like discount store sales.
Kjus Hublot Limited Edition Jacket
Kjus Hublot Limited Edition Jacket review. OnTheSnow reviewed this ski jacket as part of its men's 2015/2016 Jacket Buyers' Guide.
Favorite Features: The Hublot Limited Edition Jacket retails for $3999. Still reading? When Kjus says “Limited Edition” they mean it—the jacket tested came with an engraved alloy plate reading “No. 015 of 200.” Standout features include a carbon zipper, left gaiter watch window, built in neck gaiter with anatomical seaming and a left sleeve 3D logo. How’s it look? Like Batman at high altitude.
Room for Improvement: Can you really bash a $4000 jacket?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 12, 2017 - 11:47am PT
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Gotta have some stylin goggles to go with that 4k dollar jacket. At a mere $550 these Oakley Airwaves are a bargain
http://www.oakley.com/en/mens/goggles/asia-fit-goggles/snow/airwave-1-5-asia-fit-/product/WGOO7049A?skuCode=59-449J
Ever have one of those downhill runs where you’re sure you broke some speed record? Ever pull-off a trick with such amplitude that you could swear you left earth’s atmosphere for a sec? And wouldn’t it be cool to know for sure? Well now you can. Airwave™ takes Oakley goggle design and technology to the next level with a built-in heads up display that integrates GPS, Bluetooth® and more. Onboard sensors give you instant access to jump analytics that show distance, height and airtime. But there’s so much more: preloaded maps, music playlist control, buddy tracking, and so on. Airwave isn’t merely a goggle; it’s a mobile dashboard.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jan 12, 2017 - 02:23pm PT
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Dang Gunks, that's gnarfukkel for sure!! That jacket yells "HODAD" at about 160dB
I get 3-4 years max out my jackets...skiing, winter bicycle commuting, moto, fall and summer mtb stuffs just takes it's toll and I take care of my stuff with tx-direct. I get the same life outa my softshell as I did/do 3-layer g-tex. I spend between $150-250 it seems these days; I always get last year's color or some crap like that.
They do not need to be $$, especially if you layer with woolness n'stuffs.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 12, 2017 - 04:59pm PT
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Shopping is the number one leisure activity in our fractured country and a major aphrodisiac for multitudes. There are tons of people with serious cash who believe you get what you pay for......music to the ears of marketers.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 12, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
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Wait till " Dynamic pricing " hits the local Smatagonia retail outlet...You'll be glad you bought that $900.00 Gougetex parka midweek when it was 30% less than it was on the weekend...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 12, 2017 - 06:14pm PT
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Wait till " Dynamic pricing " hits the local Smatagonia retail outlet.
or they scan your retina from 20 feet away and figure out that you pay full retail midweek. Cha-ching!!!
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 12, 2017 - 10:57pm PT
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Ok I'm too lazy to post the stats (they are out there on the web) but don't buy Goretex. It works as well as everything else but just costs more.
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 13, 2017 - 12:36am PT
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hmmm good point
I never have and never will.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Jan 13, 2017 - 07:52am PT
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I needed a new jacket 2 years ago when out on a well. I ran into the nearest Wal-Mart and bought a warm fleece jacket for 18 bucks. The jacket is still solid. Good zip and no holes. My previous Mountain Hardware fleece jacket fell to pieces within 18 months or so.
Some of that converse stuff is just as good as name brand stuff. I just got a mountian hardware jacket for Christsmas. It wasn't any warmer than a heavy weight underwear. It will only bee good for warmup stuff. Not for real cold. Buy the cheapo for warm, but get the best down bag you can afford, along with a Marmat bivy sack. I have sat out many storms without a tent. If you are going light, and not cooking, you save more money. If you have to melt snow for water, I use the MSR Superlight.
So I've gone cheap. 25 bucks for Patagonia knock-offs, 18 bucks from Wal_Mart.
Nobody seems to care, either.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 13, 2017 - 08:37am PT
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Base...thanks for the hot tips on affordable clothing ..What were those Van Morrison lyrics ...? " All the girls go by , dressed up for each other "..?
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jan 13, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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Alpine skiing has always been a rich kid sport.
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 14, 2017 - 10:32pm PT
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###Peater
Good explanation
How about the issues of oil contamination with event -iirc there have been some problems in past -i have a jacket i've been using for touring though that has not exhibited any problems in this regard -my field test is solid -lots of steep skintrack action in a coastal climate -perfect lab for coat testing in that if it works here it works anywhere. ###
Sorry I missed this earlier: All these fabrics are subject to contamination/delamination. My first NF Goretex coat delaminated around the shoulders. Maybe I don't bathe enough. My friends Bibler tent delaminated where he put his socks to dry on the top.
I'm curious GCF, how have you found Event compared to others especially in the Cascades. Sounds like you know something.
Anyway the tech is out there to make better fabric. The factories know how to do it but the manufactures don't know what to ask for.
(Way over simplified)
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 15, 2017 - 07:02am PT
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Skiing is too rich for my blood these days.
Hit the thrift stores in resort towns and you can get amazing expensive jackets cheap. Rich folk pay a fortune for winter gear and toss it the minute the color is out of style.
When my parents moved from Mammoth to Palm Springs last year I drove an entire carload of virtually unused quality winter gear to the thrift store. I was sort of cringing at the retail $ they spent on that stuff that was now getting donated.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jan 15, 2017 - 07:24am PT
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justthemaid nails it, in both regards.
Second hand shops here in SLC are an excellent source of all kinds of high quality used gear and clothes. Little while ago, picked up a nice Mt Hardware soft shell for $20. And my skate skis are top of the line Madshus bought for $100 from an Olympian up in Park City selling his extras.
But jackets are just a small piece of the pie when it comes to resort skiing. Buying individual lift tickets at regular price is ridiculous. Most of the bigger resorts here are over $100/day, with many over $120. It's become a sport really only for the rich or the locals that get passes.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jan 15, 2017 - 07:26am PT
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Others might trust their lives to a cheap jacket in a sideways blizzard on a skintrack, but I'm going with a quality product designed by mountaineers. $600? Nah, I'll wait for the sales. I'm into season 5 with my Arc'Teryx Stingray..well worth it.
stevep, most Tahoe-area resorts have pass options that pay for themselves on day 5.
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