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couchmaster
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Idaho has sh#t for good climbing in the Boise area. Even remote Ca shithole locations usually have something better than the black cliffs nearby.
That said, Ca has successfully reduced most of their large resource industries. Ag, Forestry, Mining, Fishing. And impressively enough doing that while increasing their costs. In that process they have been able to move their school system from one of the top in the nation to one of the worst. Science, math and writing are now all below US average. (Don't think that having sh#t schools will not impact your star industry: tech. It's just a matter of time.)
Congrats Californians!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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pud nails it. California has been the worst state to run a small business in for years. The
Sactards have been pursuing the Eurozone model for years. To wit - tax and regulate so
that only big businesses with healthy profit margins can afford the onerous overhead required
to do business here. A friend has had a running battle with the air quality nazis for years. In
his latest contretemps he hired a certified lab to test the process that the nazis were causing
him grief over. The independent lab was not able to measure ANY of the pollutants! Did that
matter to the bureaucrats? Hell no! They don't need no stinkin' science to justify the rules
and regs they pull out of their asses.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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My old mans auto repair shop qualified as a super fund site...The LA county fire inspector was having a field day nit-picking the potential fire hazards...That was until his boss , one of my dads best customers , transferred his ass...
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Another thread for the baby bitcher generation. OMG the tyranny of California is so oppressive!!!111. How can I possibly survive???
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Well, as a lawyer you're in fat city in the nanny state, aren't you? Rules, regs, a convoluted
legal system; it's all good for yous guys. Show me ONE metric that shows Cali as being
anything close to business friendly, particularly small business.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2017 - 09:37am PT
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Geez, the knee-jerk attacks continue.
I was simply trying to illustrate the folly of Ca politics and priorities. We are actually penalized and regulated for using water during periods of what the State calls a 'drought'.
What do we do? We spend billions of dollars on a train from NorCal to Socal. It's still overbudget and unfinished.
As others have pointed out, arrogant Cal is so sophisticated, why can't we build de-salinization plants?
Wouldn't it make more sense to build water storage?
The priorities of this State have become political. And yeah, Pyro and others like myself are throwbacks to the old Cal. Used to be quite the red state.
For people asking why I should not just move? This is my home.
For people telling me I should move to Alabama with all the other red-necks, I say the old California raised me to be the West Coast redneck I am today. So Fuk off.
EDIT: I find it ironic that bluering, and pyro, complain about California, but they still live here. Wtf?
Are we 'lifers' who grew up here allowed to have a voice in the future of our State? I can't speak out about my home?
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c wilmot
climber
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Of smug and smog
Ca has smog laws requiring vehicles to pass an emissions test in order to be legal. Ostensibly it's because politicians care about the environment. Except that gasoline fueled cars pre 75 are exempt. Why? Because that would have affected THEM. Can't make your vintage corvette illegal...
Of course a single mother whose 2004 pathfinder no longer passes and whom can't afford a car that passes is on her own. I mean- she can just buy a new car like a tesla which can be charged for free at taxpayer subsidized stations...right?
Nah, ca isn't out of touch...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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We suffer 'devastating' droughts, but we want to build "bullet trains" that are billions over budget, so far, and it ain't even near done yet!
But we still fail to take the logical route of building MORE F*#KING WATER STORAGE!!!!
This is actually approaching insanity.
I don't agree with building the bullet train. So there is agreement.
You will be happy to know that the plan is to build a new dam at the only excellent building site left in the State, and the bottom of the Santa Clara Valley. Santa Clara and San Jose will be under 100 feet of water. Good work!
RIGHT THIS MINUTE, we have a HUGE water storage system that is very very empty---the San Joachin Aquifer...a 11 trillion acre-foot deficit. We didn't know it existed in this state, until NASA made the discovery via satellite, this past year.
The average beneficial water use in Ca/year is 42 million acre-feet.
So this "empty reservoir" has capacity to absorb the ENTIRE WATER SUPPLY of California for the next 261 years, before it is full.
How do we do it? I'm sure there are various technologic challenges, environmental challenges, political challenges, equity challenges. But these can all be overcome.
But you don't throw up a dam overnight, either. So you want to expend billions on the outmoded crutch of overland water storage, that will not be built for 20 years at a minimum----because this stuff is HARD, and DANGEROUS. You can live downstream, if you want.
OR--we can invest in the changes that will fundamentally change how water is managed in the State, for a far more sustainable and reasonable future.
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/16dec_drought
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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I know, Rick. Most real Californians have fled.
I'll stay and fight as long as I can, but it's getting bad. We're losing.
The State is almost forcing out business with all the regs. It's an unfriendly State to anyone but eco-Nazis and Global Warming freaks.
Another rant from the conservative parallel universe. In reality (where you should visit sometime) CA is adding more jobs than any other State.
This is from the most recent data available, but please note that CA also has been adding more jobs than any other State since 2011. And, please don't whine that "Huffington" is a liberal publication--the Wall Street Journal also ran exactly the same piece.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/10-states-adding-most-jobs_us_5751f2c2e4b0ed593f147749
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/06/02/states-adding-and-losing-the-most-jobs/2/
I think you should move. Try AZ, right next door, you'd fit right in. In fact, I'll happily trade States with you.
Curt
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John M
climber
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Are we 'lifers' who grew up here allowed to have a voice in the future of our State? I can't speak out about my home?
of course you are allowed to speak, but why do so like an as#@&%e.
If you behave like an as#@&%e, then you should expect to be treated like one. You insult people and then complain when people insult you.
Then you cry that you were just trolling.
Oooh ooooh oooh.. progressives are ruining california. Wake up dude. Humans are ruining California, and Texas, and Arizona. There are problems wherever you go. Everyone sees life differently. Does California make it too difficult for small businesses? I believe so. So do a lot of other places. And small businesses aren't the only issues. Try living in Oklahoma in the 70s, 80s and 90s. You had to pay bribes to stay in business.
Its not progressives. Its people. Conservatives are just as screwed up as liberals.
But really dude.. I believe you need to move. We have had this discussion multiple times. I talked you out of moving to Texas a few years ago. but you don't seem to remember or learn. So I figure the only way that you could learn is to move. So move. Then you can find out that conservative controlled places have just as much problems as liberal controlled areas.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2017 - 10:11am PT
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But you don't throw up a dam overnight, either. So you want to expend billions on the outmoded crutch of overland water storage, that will not be built for 20 years at a minimum----because this stuff is HARD, and DANGEROUS. You can live downstream, if you want.
OR--we can invest in the changes that will fundamentally change how water is managed in the State, for a far more sustainable and reasonable future.
Fine. My point is why aren't we doing something now? We knew the problems 25 years ago or more. We (the State) ignored the obvious problem and diverted resources to crony programs to suit legislature interests.
They operate for themselves, not Californians. Kinda like DC.
And it doesn't take 20 years to build a resevoir. Maybe with the current Ca EPA standards. F*#k them.
Look up New Melones Resevoir. I fished that rig 4 years after if was created. Great water storage, good fishing, great resource for the community.
Resevoirs are not bad, or a scar on the landscape. Quite the opposite IMO.
EDIT: of course you are allowed to speak, but why do so like an as#@&%e.
How am I being a dick for wanting more water storage? ANd pointing out why we don't do it?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Fine. My point is why aren't we doing something now? We knew the problems 25 years ago or more. We (the State) ignored the obvious problem and diverted resources to crony programs to suit legislature interests.
We ARE doing something about it! There have been some massive changes in the way that water will be managed in the State. Not enough, in my opinion, but moving the right direction.
We have a bizarre system of water ownership, virtually unique to any state, in which there is total illogic as to who can take what. Better than some states, though, where it is illegal to capture rainfall on your own property, because you don't own it. This is all a result of the "wild west", robber baron, independent "it's my water" process that set up the State. Insanity.
You think you can just throw a dam up? You have never seen the remnants of the St. Francis Dam that collapsed. OOOOPS! You may wish it were so, it is NOT.
You have these weird-ass ideas that are based upon fantasy, because you are not actually involved in working to understand water policy. There has been a lot of good discussion, references, and citations (and generally reasonable discussion) about all this over on the "Drought" thread. You obviously have passion about water---you should become educated on the subject, and become involved in your community!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I actually agree that the smog check program is a contrived BS system.
I'm sure it contributes MARGINALLY to clean air, but for all the effort, it is highly inefficient and a waste of money.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I am also a California lifer.
My observation is that the State is tremendously better off than it was 50 years ago.
Back then, we had such bad smog, you couldn't see two blocks during the summer. Google "China air pollution" pictures to see what I mean. We never have that now.
We generally have stopped most mining, a terrible cause of pollution, and the removal of our natural resources unnecessarily.
We used to have a HUGE timber industry, cutting down our forests in UNSUSTAINABLE ways. I think we could actually do with a more robust industry, at this point.
Water is cleaner and better protected.
Population is leveling off.
There is more community involvement in governing than ever before. A huge amount (but not all) of graft and corruption has been eliminated. Enough that the exceptions are hard to hide, and really stick out.
California is awesome. We have problems, but they can be fixed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2017 - 11:02am PT
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Ok so you want more people in CA. Doesn't make any sense at all to me, your rant.
DMT
Not really, but that misses the mark. We are not attending to the needs of the current population.
I always have all the water I need. But the fascists in Sacramento want to penalize or TAX me for that.
If Sacramento thinks there is a water problem, why not fix it? Or quit f*#king me with threats of penalty for water usage.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Not really, but that misses the mark. We are not attending to the needs of the current population.
I always have all the water I need. But the fascists in Sacramento want to penalize or TAX me for that.
It's always funny when a staunch "conservative" insists that the government provide something to them for free.
Curt
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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I love California.
When I retire I will come back to visit often I'm sure.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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I'm white, I'm rich, I'm liberal. I love California just the way it is.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Are we 'lifers' who grew up here allowed to have a voice in the future of our State? I can't speak out about my home?
Yer still an asss. That won't change.
And I'm out of popcorn. That, I can change.
It's all about control and this place has never been particularly controllable.
And I've lived here longer than you, Blue.
Pardon my ad hominem style.
You can be irritating when you whine (but it's so cute).
I do commiserate with your problem with over-crowding,
but what on earth can be done without putting up a wall?
And those hillbillies from TN would still find a way in.
To paraphrase in a loose way the best of the ST climbers, Mr. Wm. Shatner,
who learned from Largo, one of the best climbers posting to ST:
I say embrace the taco.
Eat the taco.
Savor the taco.
Then jump the shark.
Embrace the shark.
Let the shark savor you.
Then float about the sea as shark sh#t.
Embrace the sea.
Let the sea take your bits far away.
Wake up on the beach in Baja.
Take a look around.
How did that feel
being a Happy Meal
for a great white?
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