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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Answer me this, umpteen thousands of years ago, when a majority of the earth was covered in ice, what caused it to start melting?
You ask this of people that actually happen to have a pretty good answer for you, yet your surliness and certitude that combustion of 2.7 million gallons of oil per minute has nothing to do with changes to the earth's atmosphere and climate preclude a serious answer.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I agree Snagglepuss.
What do we DO?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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less burning of hydrocarbons would be a good start Chaz
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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enhance access to education -> lower rates of reproduction -> diminished (or at least not so rapidly growing) pool of users
cut off federal subsidy to the extractors, transfer subsidy to non-hydrocarbon energy generation/storage/transport tech.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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You too, Curt.
What do you DO?
My opinion would be to move away from fossil fuels to other forms of energy as quickly as possible. Wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, etc. I would even give nuclear energy another look for baseload generation. Not an easy task--but certainly doable.
Curt
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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global warming is Trump's warm love shining down on all of us!
praise Lord Trump!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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an economic model in which growth (market as a prison) is not requisite might help. a bit late now, I agree
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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^yep, that's the problem, we do live at a desirable standard. perhaps educating those that are reproducing most rapidly would help, as suggested.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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What do we do about the other 95% of humanity?
I'll bet humanity is fairly agnostic with regard to where their energy comes from.
Curt
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snagglepuss
Mountain climber
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Chaz,
What we do is ...
We stop denying and continue taking baby steps toward a cleaner future.
Climbing El Cap seems daunting when standing at the bottom looking up. Many choose Jody's & Dingus's route and bail. But move by move, pitch by pitch, if you continue upward you will alwaysUnderlined arrive at the top.
What we do is make the first move up ... and then continue. Baby steps without quitting.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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perhaps educating those that are reproducing most rapidly would help, as suggested.
From what I've seen of the have-nots they want what we have and they want it NOW!
And China and India, despite merrily signing climate accords, seemingly have no intention
of actively participating. Show me a catalytic converter on a car over there and I'll show you
a thousand without one.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Educate their wimmen and their wimmen will want real lives rather than pumping out 37 chillins.
And I totally hear you about the tragedy of the commons.
Fewer chillins, living at a higher standard, could enhance the likelihood of a more reasonable use of the commons
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I agree, Cowboy, but the wimmen over yonder don't have much say in the matter.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I hear you. Cultural mores complicate it for sure. Educating their men will likely help relax that sex-restricted access to education, self-determination. I always thought that Taliban-type f*#kers could be addressed with mass LSD poisoning and aerial distribution of pornography
I'm really trying to be optimistic here, to forego the doom and gloom that helps me to do the runouts. :-)
And heck yeah DMT! I'm all for it! Just not in Green River, unless I'm selling 'em some key system components.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Wimmen are the key to changing the Third World. They're the ones doing the micro-bank
thang, community and reproductive health, and violence against themselves. It's an uphill
battle for sure.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Ultimately all of these problems will be address with a massive calamity that reduces the human population, quality/duration of life. This is the 10,000 year rule and it comforts me when I see a shitty Pamper on the beach, or confront just how fractured and intractable even the much-idealized American system of governance, political/public deliberation stands.
F*#k it man, why would I work today when I can go find that two-track off a certain dirt road and dance in bodily harmony with the earth as she is on this glorious day? Never had the rhythm for proper dancehall leading with human partners anyway. Let's go bowling.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I don't stress on it. I go bowling and work to enhance the discourse in my little community here in my town. I think that talking about it is a good thing. I owe Jody a thank-you for starting the thread. And an apology, some day.
"There is nothing much we individuals can do about it, other than some measures like outlawing plastic bags." I am not so sure about this: my partner does not drive, she does not eat meat, and her career is dedicated to furthering the discourse. It's all wrapped up in how much you: 1) believe it is a problem that we are morally obligated to address, 2) take steps in your own life to do so. Baby steps, as the man says.
As a taxpayer I support money for the Train to Nowhere over more public money for the Train to Oceanic Acidification.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Population Explosion and Then It Blew Up In My Face."
Read it. It changed my life. Not many copies available. Tough to find. No, you cannot have mine and I don't lend books. Find your own.
And get the hell off my lawn!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Why aren't more people concerned about it?
It doesn't directly impact anyone. It's not tangible. And the effort required to reduce CO2 levels would require global cooperation. Most people realize that's undoable.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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"It doesn't directly impact anyone. It's not tangible" Tell it to the dudes going underwater in the S Pacific?
"And the effort required to reduce CO2 levels would require global cooperation. Most people realize that's undoable" This is an interesting iteration of my "F*#k it dude, let's go bowling" approach. Your attitude is the same as that in the Chinese smelters, that of the biggest polluters in Asia. It's the "I'm getting mine, f*#k the commons, and f*#k you" strategy. It works. For you.
The fact is, Polio was impossible. Infections were impossible. Climate change is impossible?
This is generationally rooted:
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