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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 27, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
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Don't say crazy.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Oct 27, 2016 - 11:37pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:50am PT
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Thank you, Biotch!
Come-fund-me, okay?
I'm glad this kind of sh#t is not on my bucket list.
Hope you recover some, Eric.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Oct 28, 2016 - 06:18am PT
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He is an idiot. There is a quote in the interview where he says " Personally, I believed I could grasp ideas and skillsets a bit quicker than most people. -----But I now admit I wrongfully based that idea on completely unrelated experiences."
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 28, 2016 - 06:34am PT
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The level to which they deny the human element and the statistical probablilty of mistakes, especiially while learning, is surreal to me - the whole conversation and culture appears to be centered around making zero mistakes up to the absolute edge and clearly often beyond the controllable. NOPE! Not for me. No mystery why the death rate is so high.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 28, 2016 - 06:39am PT
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BASE gets their guardian angels from AA. Holy flocking sheep dude.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Oct 28, 2016 - 08:57am PT
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A simple fall while walking kills some while others drop from the sky virtually unscathed.
Ain't life wonderful?
Do it if you dare
Leaping form the sky
Hurling through the air
Exhilarating high
See the earth below
Soon to make a crater
Blue sky, black death
I'm off to meet my maker
Energy of the gods, adrenaline surge
Won't stop 'til I hit the ground, I'm on my way for sure
Up here in the air, this will never hurt
I'm on my way to impact, taste the high speed dirt
Paralyzed with fear
Feel velocity gain
Entering a near
Catatonic state
Pressure of the sound
Roaring through my head
Crash into the ground
Damned if I'll be dead
Jump or die!
Dropping all my weight
Going down full throttle
The pale horse awaits
Like a genie in a bottle
Fire in my veins
Faster as I go
I forgot my name
I'm a dirt torpedo
High speed dirt...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Oct 28, 2016 - 09:12am PT
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Good interview. Thx Werner
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Burnin' Oil
Trad climber
CA
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Oct 28, 2016 - 09:28am PT
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Eric sounds like an intelligent guy who is going through a "what was I thinking" moment.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 28, 2016 - 09:30am PT
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Takes a lot of trauma and force to break a scapulae though - enough so that it's mortality due to associated injuries I thought was about 50 percent.
Guess I'm in the lucky 50%. A doctor friend told me that after one of my many bicycle accidents the radiologist at the hospital I wound up in was running around waving my x-ray at everybody and saying "Look at this. LOOK AT THIS! I've never SEEN anything like this!"
He later told me the only way he could imagine achieving the multiple fractures in my scapula was if someone really strong wound up on me with a baseball bat.
I can't imagine what it must be like to slam into the trees at 90 mph. Amazing that the guy survived.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Oct 28, 2016 - 10:06am PT
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Hey, Werner: Thanks for that interview! It's so enlightening. One of many quotes stuck out for me, and it's so true of any serious discipline:
I wasn’t learning to fly my suit well, I was just accumulating jump numbers and thinking the skills would come with jump numbers. I now realize it doesn’t work that way.
Doing a lot of something doesn't equate to really learning how to do it. We all have to have humility in the face of dangerous activities. I try to do a little mantra before every climb: Even the easiest climbs demand the greatest respect.
So glad this guy made it.
BAd
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Oct 28, 2016 - 10:55am PT
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220 lbs is huge for a wingsuit, the smaller guys have almost as much surface area but 50 pounds less weight. I'm surprised he could fly the line and still make the standard LZ. Incredible that he lived and remembers anything about it. Recover quickly !
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 28, 2016 - 11:15am PT
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In the final seconds of Eric's video, one can almost hear the auto-pilot beta... Turn left... Turn left... Turn left...
It appears it is another case of proximity flying.
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220 lbs is huge for a wingsuit, the smaller guys have almost as much surface area but 50 pounds less weight.
So true.
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Sula
Trad climber
Pennsylvania
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
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220 lbs is huge for a wingsuit, the smaller guys have almost as much surface area but 50 pounds less weight. I'm surprised he could fly the line and still make the standard LZ. Somewhat surprisingly, wingloading (weight / wing area) doesn't affect your glide ratio. It does affect your best glide speed: with higher wingloading you must fly faster (which in the interview Eric acknowledges he failed to do).
Incredible that he lived and remembers anything about it. Indeed. I crashed a paraglider (wasn't nearly as violent as this event) and remember nothing of the final minute of my flight - which a doctor said is typically the case.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
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Sula, do you suppose any of these guys have any inkling of the science behind 'speed to fly'?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:19pm PT
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wingloading (weight / wing area) doesn't affect your glide ratio.
Yes, surprised to read this, Sula.
Suppose our first flyer was 500 lbs and wing area was 10 ft square (50 lbs/ft2) and our second flyer was 100 lbs and wing area was 10 ft square (10 lbs/ft2). You're saying the glide ratio of the first flyer at 500 lbs would be the same as the second flyer at 100 lbs?
Just trying to get clear on this. Thanks.
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"do you suppose any of these guys have any inkling of the science..."
Reily, I guess we're all a bunch of dunces, eh?
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
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Reilly, since you have some idea, why dont you explain your understanding to all us ignorant folk. and this topic is for gliders, not engine powered flight..
HFCS, yes weight only relates to speed.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:24pm PT
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A good friend of mine died just like that a couple of years ago. He was wingsuiting and hit a tree.
When I jumped with him, he was a skydiver, and a very good one. He didn't get into BASE until wingsuits showed up.
Not all wingsuits are equal, either. The super big ones don't turn on a dime. They kind of slide a little, so you have to anticipate every move.
These guys don't just up and do a jump like that. They overfly it and refine it over and over until it is a crazy, but doable, line. Every turn is rehearsed in their minds ahead of time.
It can't be argued that they are dying like flies, though. Not just the beginners, as it is with normal BASE. Some of the best wingsuit flyers are dying.
How they are going to straighten that out isn't my fight, but I think that they should be free to do what they want to do. Europe isn't like the U.S., where we are sue-happy. You can slip on some ice in front of the 7-11 here and sue the store. That mindset doesn't even exist in Europe.
In that respect, they are more of a "home of the free"
than we are.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
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Eric jumps straight to the head of the class. Experience is only second to judgement.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 28, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
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this topic is for gliders, not engine powered flight
I rest my case.
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