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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 17, 2016 - 11:06pm PT
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Tone down the rhetoric, Andrzej.
Yosemite also has Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, in all fairness.
:0)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 17, 2016 - 11:09pm PT
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Not to mention The Crack of Doom, which got us into this fine mess.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 12:36am PT
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Not to mention The Crack of Doom, which got us into this fine mess
Exactly.
5.10 is mathematically the same thing as 5.1, and the Crack of Doom is not 5.1.
I am old enough to remember when "real deal" Valley 5.9 was called 5.9, and it was not uprated to 5.10.
Even worse, the twin brother of the Crack of Doom was called the Crack of Despair.
WTF?
Chuck Pratt referenced J. R. R. Tolkien when he called the first Valley 5.10 The Crack of Doom.
Crack of Despair?????
Oh, but I despair . . . . . . .
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 18, 2016 - 02:05am PT
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You'd be even more desperate on Despair as many have found to theirs. I try to avoid despair when possible. But I don't run the world, only my own, which is likely why I'm given to fantasy and whimsy, I suppose.
Personally, I like Goofy best of the Dwarfs, second only to Happy, who has to live under the bridge there with a troll maiden since they all walked out on Disney. He is tolerated because he's only fictional.
The agent for the Dwarfs, Mrs. Helga Von Sweatshop, was let go and they are dispersed to the winds, all but Goofy, who didn't know better. He's now a scullion boy in the Majestic.
There are reasons for their disavowal of Disney doings. However, I am not at liberty to discuss those.
zBrown may be more forthcoming. He bought his first drum kit from Doc's kid brother, Shocko, who runs a music store in National City.
Yep, they are a family of Mexican dwarfs. Shocko used to work in Small Time Big Wrestling, wearing a mask and cape and gloves with fringes. He was intimidating, once you stopped laughing.
But Tio Shocko landed the gig for Doc with Disney. Something to do with a horse's head in Walt's bedroom...
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 02:11am PT
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Too much . . . NO, wait . . . . . not enough . . . .. .
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 18, 2016 - 08:25am PT
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Too much of nothing
Can make a man a liar
It can 'cause one man to sleep on nails
It can 'cause others to eat fire
Never thought to check The Bard, maybe another case of Dylan's plagiarism?
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jstan
climber
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Jul 18, 2016 - 08:41am PT
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I'll take s guess.
Either Bob Dylan or
Wm. Shakespeare
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 18, 2016 - 09:04am PT
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This is news? Yeah, news, like they have on the fox television.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jul 18, 2016 - 09:35am PT
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Is there an uncrowded "off season" anymore?
Yes. It is located 1 mile from any trailhead.
Kings Canyon is my favorite national park. Little infrastructure, just loads of backcountry
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 18, 2016 - 09:45am PT
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Sorry Gary....one mile from any trailhead doesn't apply, 100 yards from any trail is more like it.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 09:46am PT
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A few legal questions:
1. When park management was first outsourced, did the concessionaire have to buy just physical assets or intellectual property too?
2. Is there a precedent for overruling trademarks of public/national assets? Sort of like denying folks who register domain names of companies they don't own?
3. Did a private concessionaire create intellectual property beyond registering the pre-existing names of places or activities? For example, the hotel name, and the the phrase Go Climb a Rock, were not novel at the time their copyright was registered, but the arrangement of letters and font and logo might have been.
4. Can the federal government launch a suit against DNC for lost revenues related to false claims that block the use of the known names? Or maybe Aramark could launch the claim as the company losing revenues, with the recognition/assertion that the federal government owns the trademarks and Aramark is entitled to use them as part of the concession contract?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 10:22am PT
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When my wife and I did snake dike in October a couple years ago it was a beautiful day and we saw one person on the whole trip from glacier point to the summit and back down the mist trail.
If you want wilderness it's probably not hard to find but I don't have much experience in Yosemite.
I do remember driving through the valley on a motorcycle with my wife in the summer. We wanted to buy something to eat and couldn't find anywhere to park a motorcycle. That's never happened to me anywhere else. It was easier to park at Disneyland.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 11:36am PT
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^^^
Agreed. I love the Valley, but the crowds have always made it a love/hate thing. The traffic (see my other rant/thread) has only upped the ante. I think I need to adjust my mindset to have the same expectations as when visiting D-land. The only thing that sets them apart nowadays is that at one place the scenery is man made.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jul 18, 2016 - 11:39am PT
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The only thing that sets them apart nowadays is that at one place the scenery is man made.
I think you are far too impressed with Disneyland
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Jul 18, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
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I have long advocated the removal of most of the development in the valley including the Ahwahnee hotel. Make all the toilets, Pit toilets and only allow tent camping, no RV's. There could be an RV camping area outside the valley maybe in Foresta. Maybe a small store with essentials and, of course, a place for the mountaineering school. I would also get rid of the cars (People that are tent camping would be allowed to bring their tents in and immediately take their cars to a central parking area maybe in Foresta). Bike trails would be added and improved. Hiking opportunities would be increased. Transportation in the valley would either be bikes or public transit.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 18, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
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Good ideas but let me add.....close all roads at Yosemite West, Arch Rock and Crane Flats....Americans need to walk more. Get rid of all stores including the mountaineering store.
Oh...and don't forget to tear up the paving, I'm sure you could sell it to Bakersfield for beautification.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jul 18, 2016 - 01:19pm PT
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Keep the pizza and beer.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jul 18, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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You can long advocate it for as long as you want
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
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It would be interesting to explore closing ALL car traffic within the valley, including for tent camping, to be replaced by a 24/7 electric loop train and supplementary golf carts for getting gear to tent campsites. I was on vacation on an island in Belize some years back, and golf carts were very effective as primary means of moving people and gear longer distances than people want to walk.
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