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Escopeta
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Idaho
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We can and will do this.
No, we won't. This is just another step in the evolution of the country.
Law enforcement will double down on their insanity, the thin blue line will thicken, and the exodus of the last remaining "good cops" will continue until all we are left with is law enforcement that welcomes the "us vs. them" dynamic.
It's certainly more prevalent in areas with high minority groups, but don't make the mistake of thinking white people aren't/won't affected by this trend as well.
People are tired of three things mainly and they are starting to (rightfully) question what's going on with our law enforcement. Want it solved? You LEO's want your respect back? Citizen's want your country back? Three things:
1. Stop the road pirates. This whole notion of police padding their budgets through fee collection is out of control. Police work should not be a revenue-generating activity for any city, state or township. Fees collected should go back into the general fund and come out as an overall equal reduction in taxes to all citizens that paid in- but the budget should not escalate due to the amount of fees being produced. This whole thing about $25 parking tickets turning into $1,500 fee and late penalty shakedowns should stop. People should be able to decide how much police they really want by how much taxes they are assessed to the get the job done, not by how much the police can frisk out of everyday drivers and such.
2. Law Enforcement Clean Up. The public needs to tell law enforcement that they have 3 months to clean up their act, weed out their bad actors and after that, we will do it for them. This whole thin blue line crap is out of control and the good cops aren't helping to rid of the bad cops. All that's happening is the good cops are quitting. And that leaves us with only bad cops. We should hold our police to an incredibly high standard, pay them exorbitantly and then crucify any that betray the public trust. And go back to equal Crucifixion of any citizen that kills a cop because we have re-installed a confidence that the law enforcement officer was right - most likely through the use of body cameras. Now? Not so much.
3. Eliminate the Dept. of Homeland Security yard sale. The military rhetoric, equipment and training is not wanted, needed, justified or legal quite frankly. Let's get rid of the armored personnel carriers for Mayberry USA. It is not needed and there is no "War on Drugs" so let's stop with that line of argument as an excuse to buy new toys, hire military advisers and play solider on the weekend with big white LAW ENFORCEMENT across your back.
Fix those three things and we start back down the right path. If we do not, and law enforcement continues to double-down on their mutual admiration, military tactics and rhetoric and the cork will pop eventually.
Or rather it appears a bit of the cork flew off just now.
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dirtbag
climber
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This is so sad. It's getting hard to watch the news.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Found out about this just before bed and I've been sick about it ever since. Tragic in its own right and then also completely overshadows the important protests that were taking place. For those of you who believe in gun ownership to "protect us from tyranny," this is what it looks like to take up arms against perceived tyranny.
Escopeta posted 1. Stop the road pirates. This whole notion of police padding their budgets through fee collection is out of control.
2. Law Enforcement Clean Up.
3. Eliminate the Dept. of Homeland Security yard sale.
Did someone take over your account? This is a lot of what BLM has been arguing for since Ferguson. Glad to hear your views, though I disagree that this has to do with individual cops. This is about culture all around. Culture in the police and our civilian culture of violence, culture where anger is the most righteous emotion, culture where killing is a solution.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It doesnt help to have a president fuel the fire..
That damn half-breed president has all those uppity blacks in an uproar and now they're acting out like they don't know their goddam place - gotta get me some more guns...
The fact you think Obama, or any president, finally recognizing the long history of institutionalized extrajudicial killings of non-whites by urban police departments around the country could somehow be perceived as 'fueling the fire' is the problem.
Just a different form of this:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Isn't it amazing those damn blacks still haven't learned their place.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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pyro posted
It doesnt help to have a president fuel the fire..
"Why can't the president just let cops kill people at their discretion without making a fuss about it?"
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kattz
climber
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They're turning this country into Zimbabwe.
YES, they want to kill White people, they're targeting White people based on their race all the time, harassing and menacing, daily, killing and attacking White people based on race -- only lying liberal media does not say the true motives when they cover these crimes -- liberal-controlled police is forced to suppress true motives of these attacks.
One in the right mind should get out of so called multi-racial areas, if they're White, as law does not protect them against any hate crime based on their race.
And those ninnies are talking about banning guns? So that they can be easily slaughtered, eventually, when there's a civil war or other major unrest here.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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No, racists like you have turned it into Rhodesia for non-whites and it's absolutely unbelievable that we still have to suffer people like you.
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kattz
climber
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Nope, I wasn't ever in Rhodesia.
If you're a bleeding heart, may be you now give up this land to Native Americans, which you ancestors took from them, and get the hell out?
You're the racist and a hypocrite! Supporting violence and murder of White people based on their race!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2016 - 07:10am PT
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Why did this (horrific) shooting get it's own thread, but the (horrific) Minneapolis & Baton Rouge shootings didn't?
Just wondering.
Good point, but I didn't see you start a thread about those shootings.
It doesnt help to have a president fuel the fire..
I guess Obama should only say something when(if) whites are the ones shot.
Once again pyro gets it wrong.
Pyro, did you get hit in the head by your surfboard?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Pyro and Kittycat sound scurrrrrrrred. "Run away, run away."
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You're the racist and a hypocrite! Supporting violence and murder of White people based on their race!
By your own standards and beliefs that wasn't violence and murder of WHITE people - that is a brave urban militia exercising their second amendment rights to fight an oppressive and murderous government. And if any survive to make it to trial that's exactly the defense I would make if I was their attorney. So long as we are flooded with guns and people think like you this is will always be the inevitable outcome.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2016 - 07:17am PT
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that is a brave urban militia exercising their second amendment rights to fight an oppressive government.
This kinda puts the NRA in quandary. Oh, that's right, the second amendment doesn't apply to blacks.
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kattz
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That wasn't violence and murder of WHITE people by your own standards and beliefs - that is a brave urban militia exercising their second amendment rights to fight an oppressive and murderous government and if any survive to make it to trial that's exactly the defense I would make if I was their attorney. So long as we are flooded with guns and people think like you this is will always be the inevitable outcome.
Don't lie.
This was a racially motivated murder of White people, based on race, by criminal thugs who hate and wanted to murder Whites specifically, by own admission.
Even liberal media is admitting this, all over the place.
These thugs should not live to have an attorney, they should have been taken out during the ambush.
People like you are racist, want to see White people killed and harassed with out repercussions -- but remember, this will NOT happen in this country.
People like you make excuses for murderers, out of hate for White race.
People like you hypocritically accuse anyone who wants to speak the TRUTH of racism.
It's time for White people to stand up for themselves.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Escopeta, excellent post, but I'm sure you will be excoriated anyway, or ignored.
Oddly, I've been trying to get Monrovia's cops to try doing just a little traffic enforcement but
I've been told, in so many words, we don't have the time, manpower, or money.
"Wait, you seem to have all that when you show up in force at the Friday street fair and
parade around."
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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I remember walking home in SW Philly with my friends (black) after a day at the basketball courts, we were stop by the cops and I the only white guy, was told to keep walking as they detained my friends.
If you lived in inner-city/urban areas you knew for a fact that treatment by the cops was never equal.
The thing about then is that cops didn't shoot first and ask questions later.
So sorry for those poor policemen and those young black mens who loss their lives.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Geez... these Race riots sure make a good distraction.
Imagine that.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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kattz posted They're turning this country into Zimbabwe.
YES, they want to kill White people, they're targeting White people based on their race all the time, harassing and menacing, daily, killing and attacking White people based on race -- only lying liberal media does not say the true motives when they cover these crimes -- liberal-controlled police is forced to suppress true motives of these attacks.
One in the right mind should get out of so called multi-racial areas, if they're White, as law does not protect them against any hate crime based on their race.
And those ninnies are talking about banning guns? So that they can be easily slaughtered, eventually, when there's a civil war or other major unrest here.
Who is "they?" I'm pretty sure the "so called multi-racial area" you are referring to is called America. It would be an unequivocally better place if you left.
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kattz
climber
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BLM (Black Lives Matter) is a terrorist organization.
It should banned and its members arrested.
Lying Obama tries to blame this incident on "guns" (the usual MO of liberals)...no, it's his BLM buddies, the terrorists, why doesn't he say it straight?!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Because he isn't a pro-segregationist like you are, perhaps? Also, are you seriously advocating for the arrest of people for exercising their freedom to associate and express themselves?
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