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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Apr 17, 2016 - 02:12pm PT
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Apr 17, 2016 - 10:59am PT
Don't bring pets to the crag, problem solved. SO STUPID. You get what you ask for.
People are sometimes idiots about their pets.
I went to a 2 Cellos concert in the opera house last night. Very entertaining.
Some guy comes in with a dog who has a "service animal " vest on and sits down next to me. I casually ask what service the dog provides, he says it's a companion animal ( aren't all pets?). I'm not saying this guy did it ( OK, I am) but here in Portland people get these vests so they can take their pets anywhere.
Anyhow, the concert was sometimes loud. I'm partially deaf and my ears complained. At the peak of frenzy I pulled out the phone and a decibel APP was reading in the mid to high 90's.
The dog was clearly not happy, and I tried to cover its ears. Up until last night, I'm pretty sure that dog's hearing was a lot more sensitive than mine.
I question whether this dog or the one that drowned asked for anything.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 17, 2016 - 03:35pm PT
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At the peak of frenzy I pulled out the phone and a decibel APP was reading in the mid to high 90's.
Christ, that's insanely loud. I believe Cal Osha requires ear protection over 86dB, and it's a log scale so high 90+ is hearing damage for sure. Kind of like standing around on the tarmack while the pilot spins up his jets.
Those sound support guys ought to be tar'd and feathered.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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Condolences to the folks who lost the dog. We know they are part of the family. A friendly reminder. If your dog gets in a bad situation in water do not try to rescue the dog. They are better swimmers and survivors than you are. you will likly drown and the dog with most likly survive.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
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Yeah, the usual comments. Whatever. This was just a cautionary tale about the Gorge right now. I hope other folks can learn from our experience. The other encounters with the hounds at the crags were great. Folks were having a blast. It was just a wonderful day. One of my favorite sights was a young boy on a mountain bike burning up and down the dirt road below the central Gorge trail with his high-energy dog busting ass to keep up--a wonderful scene of boy and dog and youthful energy. Such a delightful contrast to so many kids eating sugary junk and playing X-Box until they develop tendonitis in their thumbs.
Chill out folks, be smart. Spring is here and the climbs are waiting.
BAd
PS: @Tradman--Seems like good advice! Hounds can swim.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2016 - 04:53pm PT
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Coupple years ago a pooch got caught in a bad riptide while the family was walking on the beach. The son jumped in to save the dog, the dad jumped in to save the son. Both humans drowned and the dog swam to shore no worse for wear. Mom wittnessed the whole thing.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
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Damn shitty situation. I only have had family pets but I took them climbing just one time, didn't go well. I think this is different than other dogs at the crags threads because it isn't a behavioral problem. It's a problem where the dog is the victim.
I think it is a good idea when climbing with someone who doesn't have a say in what's going on to play a bit closer to the vest. Dogs at appropriate crags are great. Dogs in the alpine are not.
Right now it is not appropriate to take your dog across the creek.
And Geezus climb at pine creek. It's not 1992 we climb granite now.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Apr 17, 2016 - 06:10pm PT
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pretty clear that dogs should stay behind. An argument against this relies wholly on selfishness and rationalization (e.g. my dog is well-behaved, everyone loves my dog)
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 17, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
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"Some dogs are fine at the crags; others ( and their owners ) are not. "
"...selfishness and rationalization (e.g. my dog is well-behaved, everyone loves my dog)"
usually from people that have absolutely NO control
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Todd Townsend
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 17, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
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I should have been more clear, ORG is lame. That's what I meant, braj.
No problemo, broheim. Just tryin' to spread the word that the sheep are not as down with your pup as you are.
And Geezus climb at pine creek. It's not 1992 we climb granite now.
Yeah, what the hell! Next thing you know, those geezers will be busting out their old lycra again. Obviously someone didn't get the memo...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 17, 2016 - 06:44pm PT
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"Some dogs are fine at the crags; others ( and their owners ) are not. "
"...selfishness and rationalization (e.g. my dog is well-behaved, everyone loves my dog)"
These statements are at the heart of the issue.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Apr 17, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
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Yeah, what the hell! Next thing you know, those geezers will be busting out their old lycra again. Obviously someone didn't get the memo...
I only got the "wear inappropriate lycra" memo, Todd? ;)
The ORG is soo played out - nothing to see here, move along...
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 17, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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Is the gorge doing the simulated spring floods? I believe that DWP releases a high flow to simulate a spring flood, otherwise its 40 cfs or so, regulated and unchanging.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 17, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
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I think I'm wrong about the constant 40 cfs, it might be a constant 30 or something like that. It's been awhile since I studied this stuff.
My point is that is that if the water is high, it's not some natural thing that just happens. It's regulated. If the water is high enough to kill dogs, it is a scheduled event.
It should be predictable, with the right info on when they schedule these things.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
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Locker for the win! Classic, dood.
BAd
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 17, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
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I'm allergic to cats, but that ain't no wild, unpredictable river.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Apr 17, 2016 - 09:15pm PT
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Dog and owner ball cup alert...
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Apr 17, 2016 - 11:22pm PT
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cup this
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2016 - 05:58am PT
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Hey, Jefe--Perfect shot of the bridge and your great hound. In that shot, water was up over the far end, although not deeply.
@Burchy: Yeah, I hear you. ORG's not my fave, but there is a ton of good climbing, and when it's cold in Bishop, you can still do routes in the sun pretty comfortably. Actually, I get spooked going in and out of there thinking about an earthquake--terrifying to consider how many billions of pounds of choss would come raining down on the crag rats below.
BAd
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Apr 18, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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Lots of dog poop in the gorge, not to many peeps keep track of their doo doo pick up. To busy thinking ok it's not a big deal. Last year I did visit to gorge. What I saw was not very good.
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