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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Either a really old bag or a Muslim knockoff.
We don't have a "box-X" bartacker as was used on the main haul straps. Last guy to have one of those machines was Walt Shipleys buddy Hy who used to do some sewing for us. Man, that's going back a ways.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Might be one of the very first Kyle Copeland haul bag designs (Kyle came to A5 around 1988 to help expand our sewing shop--with him came a few designs he had been developing--mostly packs).
Then, around late 80's I set my sights on improving the existing haulbag designs and came up with the tuck away shoulder straps (I didn't like hunting around for straps at the top of el cap!), and the webbing loop closure system. Then a few years later I integrated the river bag closure idea into our haulbags for better waterproofness.
Other features I can recall pioneering: the offset clip in system and full strength clip in loop at the top of the bag sewn into the main strap system. And of course a zippered pocket inside the bag so you could make a fast getaway with the car keys once back at the bottom.
I recall also building a few different prototypes to find the optimal height/diameter ratio... That was fun simulating getting something in the bottom of a haulbag while hanging from a bolt on the outside shop walls...
Edit: picture of state of the art haulbag, 1997 here: http://bigwalls.net/gear.html (note: the best material is a 32 oz. Urethane, not vinyl)
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ryankelly
Trad climber
Bhumi
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I thought this thread had legs but I guess the Duck has an early bedtime or he is on his way to Josh to give Dick Cilley a ride to the airport...
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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I have one of those large A5 haul bags at home. It's just like the one Dueces posted the link to. Shoot me a msg if you're interested. I should be home on Sunday and can post a photo.
James
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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Good morning Men!!!
Welcome to the battlefield of haul bags where keen eyes are needed to discern the subtle difference of your enemies weapons :-)
Haul bags are the weapons born of the Burt Bronsons.
This one was personally handed to me by Deuce himself.
And this one by Russ himself
Both hard hard men from the same DNA of Burt Bronson.
Minerals will have to eat crow ...... :-)
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2016 - 07:36am PT
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Men!!!!
Should make haul bags and NOT war ......
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Can't you sign it and sell it to that collector guy from a while back?
Ha! I'm still here, but trying to save money for my potential move.
Carry on Bronsons!
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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do you have anything bigger... for when I go the the gym?
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cotuclimber
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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I had the A5 bag for years. Have not done a confirmed A5 pitch yet. Should have had Burt Bronson autograph it when I had the chance.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Haul bags are so passe . . . the Dolt cart is really the only way to go.
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ryankelly
Trad climber
Bhumi
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this post from Werner is the final nail in the coffin of climbing, let me explain
now that even Werner is attempting to cash in on the art of moving over granite there is no one left to look up to these days. all today's climbers are capitalists trying to sell themselves or pictures or magazine or shirts or gloves or hats
what a bummer
oh well lets go climbing
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Didn’t Deuce tell you that he stole that bag from Russ?
I only eat turkey…… on sandwiches…… and not on Thanksgiving!
Me still says it’s not a commercially-made A5 bag. No false advertising! ; p
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E
Ice climber
mogollon rim
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im looking for a duece grade VII...I think its taller than 40"
most of my climbing partners would fit completely inside one
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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If Werner recalls me giving it to him, then it is an A5 bag for sure!
Minerals, as you know, there was a lot of collaborative designing going on at A5.
I think that bag is an early Kyle Copeland design, made with the first batch of pvc fabric, which was tan.
We later went with urethane fabric, of course, it's much better.
But as mentioned, at some point I completely redesigned the haul bags and invented features like the tuck away shoulder straps.
Minerals, by the time you started working at A5, this was all way old history--I don't think you overlapped with Kyle, did you?
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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So it’s a Fish bag with an A5 label? : )
No, I don’t think I ever met Kyle, Deuce.
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marty(r)
climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
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The Deli Lama delivers.
Hands to the sun for Werner!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Hands to the sun for Werner?
Okay. Z< but I needed one hand to take the snap >Z
DONE
Now what?
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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Dude, Bin Laden climbed El Cap?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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^^^^^^^^^ It was before he changed his name from Been Leading.
He was tall enough to lead Burton and Gerberding rivet ladders that had not yet been modernized for the 67-inch tall Standardized Sloan Gumby.
Is is safe to say that a PVC haul bag should be restricted to the overhanging East Face, and never used on the low-angle SW face?
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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E check your messages
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