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Off White
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Tenino, WA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
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climbski2, you're my fellow traveler, I couldn't agree more.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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Wow....he actually makes that facial hair look good. Seig heil!!!
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plund
Social climber
OD, MN
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
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There should be a registry of people who start ANY political threads on ST!
More Camp 4 stuff! More Tami! More great TRs! More wayback machine photos! etc, etc, etc
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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He says what he said, he meant it and now he's lying, trying to walk it back.
The Fix
Donald Trump’s defense of his Muslim database comments makes no sense
Donald Trump has a tried and true formula when cornered: Insist he didn't say what he said.
When he suggested that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had "blood coming out of her ... wherever," it, of course, wasn't a reference to her menstrual cycle. Only people with sick minds would think it was. When he said Mexican immigrants were "bringing drugs … bringing crime" and were "rapists", he later tried to explain that he meant those were the sort of people the Mexican government was sending to the United States..
And now, when confronted with video evidence from the campaign trail this week of his seeming acquiescence to the idea of a national database to track Muslims, Trump, again, pled misunderstanding.
Okay. Let's break this down.
The comments in question came after a Trump campaign event in Iowa on Thursday. An NBC reporter asks him "should there be a database that tracks the Muslims in this country?"
Trump responds: "There should be a lot of systems beyond databases. We should have a lot of systems, and today you can do it. Right now we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall."
The reporter follows up by asking whether that is something a Trump White House would be interested in.
"I would certainly implement that," Trump says. "I would stop people from coming in illegally."
He is then asked by the reporter: "How do you get them registered?"
"It would be good management," Trump responds. "Good management procedures."
Seems pretty straightforward, right?
The lone possibility for genuine misunderstanding I see is when Trump answers the first question by mentioning the wall and the reporter follows up with a generic follow-up about whether that would be something a Trump White House would want to do. It's conceivable at that point that Trump believes the question is about putting in a wall, which he has spoken in favor of many, many times.
But, and this is important, the next question from the reporter is "how do you get them registered?" -- a question that would make no sense to Trump if he thought the conversation was about the need for a border wall. Instead, he quickly responds "it would be good management."
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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Anyway, remember your liberal hero FDR put the thousands of our fellow citizens in concentration camps, and your beloved Supreme Court, which bestows such wondrous freedoms on us, said that was just fine!
Yep, truly an horrendous f*#k up.
Let's not repeat the same mistakes.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:23pm PT
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The lone possibility for genuine misunderstanding I see is when Trump answers the first question by mentioning the wall and the reporter follows up with a generic follow-up about whether that would be something a Trump White House would want to do. It's conceivable at that point that Trump believes the question is about putting in a wall, which he has spoken in favor of many, many times.
But, and this is important, the next question from the reporter is "how do you get them registered?" -- a question that would make no sense to Trump if he thought the conversation was about the need for a border wall. Instead, he quickly responds "it would be good management."
This is just a rehash of what Spectreman already explained.
In the above quote, replace "it's conceivable at that point that Trump believes the question is about putting in a wall," with "it's obvious at that point that Trump was talking about a wall, as the rest of Trump's answer wouldn't have made any sense otherwise."
Now here's where the trick comes in--
the reporter changes yet again back to the database, even though it's obvious Trump was still talking about a wall.
I think at that point most likely Trump was just confused about what they were even talking about, and his "it would be good management" is just a fluff generic response that Trump gives when he doesn't want to say anything specific. Saying "it would be good management" doesn't really make much sense as a response to getting names in a database--it's just filler.
Nice example of liberal gotcha journalism at work.
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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He pretty much seems like a psycho to me. I don't know politics but I have known plenty of psychos
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
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Unless he denies very strongly and clarifies what occurred and makes it clear that a religous list/database/whatchmacallit is not to be compiled..he remains an evil POS.
as I posted on the first page..
This brings me to tears.
Never again
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
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Yep, truly an horrendous f*#k up.
Let's not repeat the same mistakes.
And we did this to American citizens, to our great shame.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 02:50pm PT
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Stupid thread u give dems a bad name
No, just another example of how SuperTopo denizens exhibit a poor command
of the English language.
Talk is cheap. Trump is pretty low on the sliding evil scale. I know the
ST Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society would love to see him higher
on it but his deeds don't quite match up to his rhetoric.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Nov 20, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
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Trump wants to build a wall to keep out Mexicans now he will need to build a wall to keep [contain] Muslims in.
Why not just stamp the heads of all Muslims with #666?
DARPA [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency] responsible for the development of just one old or new emerging technologies for use by the military which gave us Agent Orange with blues, and a few others can track them with their small sensors [size of a small finger nail]. US paid contractors set up sensing devices as well as adding more cameras that are even smaller than that small finger nail.
Better yet forget #666 and create new special chemistry for finger printing that way the chemical gets into the body and when presented with a passport it matches. Scanning system goes nuts then agent can arrest, question them and if need be deport them or put them back into Trump’s camp. Scanning system will also follow where they go.
Much cheaper than building new walls.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Carson might bring up the idea first. Who is dumber.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
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Trump is pretty low on the sliding evil scale. I know the
ST Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society would love to see him higher
on it but his deeds don't quite match up to his rhetoric.
Perhaps he has simply lacked the opportunity to really go big.
I mean..It IS difficult to be successful at large scale evils like Genocide for example..unless one runs a nation with a solid military.
Although Cheney did a fair job of being evil running a mere oil servicing company with mercs on the payroll. Not sure if the entertainment or hospitality businesses really gives one that much room to spread their wings.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
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Perhaps he has simply lacked the opportunity to really go big
Opportunity doesn't quite translate to done deals. If it did then many
of us would be able to claim we've freed the Nose or soloed the S Face
of Denali, naked. Good thing you don't make a living as a trial lawyer.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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I did say perhaps.
I am beginning to beleive Trump is a danger for America
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 03:18pm PT
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Luckily we still live in a democracy and even if he got elected it is
highly probable he wouldn't be able to do most of the heinous things
y'all would love to see him try to do. ;-)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
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Depends on who controls congress from what I'm seeing.
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 03:21pm PT
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opportunity in this case doesn't just mean its there and you have the time or inclination. It means that you also have the wherewithal to accomplish it. There have been many psychopaths. Few of them have equaled Hitler because they did not have the opportunity, i.e. the backing of a country and a military plus the repression or a country which made the Germans vulnerable to his type leadership. This is why oppression is so terrible. It can make a people vulnerable to evil.
Edit: oops.. you made my point while I was writing..
Luckily we still live in a democracy and even if he got elected it is
highly probable he wouldn't be able to do most of the heinous things
y'all would love to see him try to do. ;-)
hence, the opportunity doesn't exist.. thankfully.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:27pm PT
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I do not have a side in this election. There is no one running that I will be able to vote for by the time the election actually occurs.
I posted this for one reason...
I am sickened by the idea..I am sickened that it's even a plausible discussion let alone the fact that this was actually suggested and not denied.
This is pretty damn horrible to have associated with a serious presidential candidate.
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