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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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Just wait, next up is a Government Shutdown
Thanks again to Ted Cruz
This is a wake up call for all Voters!
The President is important, BUT Congress Is just as important
Vote Out all the Republicans Congress People as well, they work in a Majority that's killing us
Just remember when they shut the gate to Yosemite, it was the Republican Congress that is to blame.
In fact, the President has little option when it comes to the shutdown, the Democratic Senate will filibuster the budget with the defunding of Planned Parenthood, and ask for a clean bill to keep the Gov. open.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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Boehner is quitting because he doesn't want to be to blame for the Government Shutdown, and won't compromise with the Crazy Faction.
Can you imagine the stress of Shutting down the Government based on a faked Planned Parenthood video and scandal.
They are trying to take away the healthcare of millions of women on Medicaid.
It's really just another way to screw over women and the poor.
Many counties have no other women services available.
And what will happen as a consequence?
More untreated cancers, more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions..
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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I heard it's part of a deal to avoid the shutdown next week.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Oakland, CA
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:22am PT
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I'm with dirtbag. Whoever is next will be focused on defunding planned parenthood and shutting down the government, not actually working on real problems.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:37am PT
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the Government Shutdown
So yes someone is having an abortion?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:38am PT
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It's just the final act in the republicans' en masse move to the fringe right. And, 50 years on, it's also the natural outcome and legacy of the 'Southern Strategy' which used any and all means to turn the South republican. The problem was the tactics and hyperbole which were the hallmark of that effort didn't die once the South was turned; it instead became the only way republicans knew how to operate.
It was like an uncontrollable Frankenstein by the late '90s and has now has eaten it's former masters. Even Lee Atwater, Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove who, each drunk with power in turn and eagerly wielded that beast to their own ends, all came to understand and acknowledge the gravity of their mistake. Too late for regret, the republican party has officially mutated into a party of the radical right with little tolerance for the 'moderate' republicans of old.
Bottom line: It's now a party designed by default to get people to vote against their economic self-interest by inciting them with the four distracting pillars of the American apocalypse: blacks, homosexuality, abortion and illegal immigration and you can tell just how far to the fringe right the party has moved because, if they were still alive, today's republican base would stone Ike, Goldwater, and Reagan to death as liberals.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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This made awesome politics to every teenage boy, engage the youth!
PMRC
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 25, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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dirt nails it
This is not a good thing. Boehner's being ousted, which means more whacknuttery is in line.
When the GOP's leading POTUS candidate is a ranting, misogynistic, xenophobic rich white guy with bad hair, the guy they'll tap as Speaker will be beyond that by some measure.
F*#k, that Party is f*#ked up.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 25, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
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zBrown quoted:
Republican President Dwight Eisenhower’s idea of a significant marginal rate cut was to push the top rate down to 91 percent from 92 percent. Corporate taxes hit 50 percent. Jobs proliferated, wages rose, and the economy prospered.
Hey z,
That may be true on paper, but do you really believe that wealthy individuals in the 50's just paid 91% without first hiring an accountant to help setup tax hedges, and to fill out all the deductions, and find all the loopholes?
What was the income range of the top rate then?
Seems that this talking point is never scrutinized. What would you do if you were wealthy?
I don't know the answer, but I can't imagine smart people acting the way you assume.
It would be interesting to see this researched.
As for Boehner: He'll do what pols of both parties do...continue to live in one of the wealthiest and recession proof suburbs of America, and cash in with a humongous increase in pay.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 25, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
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That may be true on paper, but do you really believe that wealthy individuals in the 50's just paid 91% without first hiring an accountant to help setup tax hedges, and to fill out all the deductions, and find all the loopholes?
I didn't say that I did, but if you want the answer, I suppose you could get a copy of the Tax Code in 1953 and start there.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 25, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
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Not necessary, the handwringing about high tax rates is largely political theatre on the right. In the end it's all smoke and mirrors...
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Sep 25, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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It was the Pope!
http://dcist.com/2015/09/the_pope_gets_credit_for_john_boehn.php
House Speaker John Boehner is well known for getting a little weepy in public. So nobody really thought twice when the devout Catholic—who had himself orchestrated the Pope's speech to Congress—started blubbering during the Holy Father's appearance.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 25, 2015 - 01:10pm PT
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healyje
Good find. That graph requires some thought.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 25, 2015 - 01:18pm PT
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Jobs proliferated, wages rose, and the economy prospered.
Does this imply high taxes caused prosperity?
I found some other interesting correlations
Edit: healyje
That is an interesting graph. Where'd you come up with it so quick?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Sep 25, 2015 - 01:21pm PT
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Papa Francisco's fault. ( and Obama's , of course)
He made Boenher cry and two days later he quits.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 25, 2015 - 01:36pm PT
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It's a good thing, but when you know that Ward is happy with the result then you wonder what more rightwing nut job they'll put in his place. When I heard this, my first thought was that the lunatics will now be running the asylum. Witness the rise of Trump.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Sep 25, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
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Does this imply high taxes caused prosperity?
It argues against the notion that high taxes prevented prosperity.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 25, 2015 - 02:06pm PT
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Spiny,
You're right, you could say that.
But one could also argue that the post WWII world was prosperous in spite of high taxes.
I'm not saying either is true, I really don't know.
One thing for sure about social policy: Counter factuals cannot be disproven...a basic tenant of science.
Check this out on JFK concerning the economy and taxes:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/JFK-on-the-Economy-and-Taxes.aspx
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