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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 19, 2015 - 08:38am PT
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Samsquatch. Bubbles told me so.
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GuapoVino
climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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Pretty interesting link that Jon Beck posted about deaths in the GC. You can zoom in and each category of death is a different icon. You can also read an account of what happened, like this guy who was on his way to "Pancho Villa's Mexico" but instead detoured and ultimately shot himself with a new German pistol which "he admired".
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 19, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
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I gotta knock the second Bushman theory simply because the hazing of new climbers was made illegal and stopped years ago (according to NPS records, at least).
At the same time, I've also always heard there were Bandersnatches and a few old Harpies who lived quietly up on the Rim, moving from spot to spot just like Chongo. These rumors should be thoroughly checked out, too.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Sep 19, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
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Stong and Cosmic were good friends which makes one wonder if window washing is just a front...?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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Hey people ....
There were no serial killers associated with these 3 hikers.
No one was murdered for crying out loud.
Wow !!! you people really get carried away with this stuff .....
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 05:34pm PT
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The story is being ran in every major newspaper in CA. Everyone finds it a little odd.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Sep 19, 2015 - 05:52pm PT
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Braun, Warbler, Cragman, Wilmot,
You are all correct.
In hindsight I see the foolishness and disrespect of my posts,
I have deleted them. My apologies.
-bushman
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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How to Avoid Being a Victim of Crime in Baja
Personal Safety: Visitors should be aware of their surroundings at all times, even in areas generally considered safe. Women traveling alone are especially vulnerable and should exercise caution, particularly at night. Victims, often those who are unaccompanied, have been raped, robbed of personal property, or abducted and then held while their credit cards were used at various businesses and Automatic Teller Machines (ATMs). U.S. citizens should be very cautious in general when using ATMs in Mexico. If an ATM must be used, it should be accessed only during the business hours at large protected facilities (preferably inside commercial establishments, rather than at glass-enclosed, highly visible ATMs on streets). U.S. and Mexican citizens are sometimes accosted on the street and forced to withdraw money from their accounts using their ATM cards.
Kidnapping, including the kidnapping of non-Mexicans, continues at alarming rates. So-called "express kidnappings," attempts to get quick cash in exchange for the release of an individual, have occurred in almost all the large cities in Mexico and appear to target the middle class as well as the wealthy.
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/avoid-crime-in-baja.html
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
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Missing Baja surfers:
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Sep 19, 2015 - 10:02pm PT
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As an active participant I feel impelled by the Moral collective to reply to the inference of callousness regarding the passing of innocents.
Let me start by saying that while assuredly presumptuous on my part, I think I have a middling grasp of the sensitivity towards accidental death that people who dedicate their careers to saving doomed souls may have. Perhaps their special insight explains their negative opinion in regards to the concept of gallows humor.
On the other hand, having spent many years involved in various distractions that often involve active death - whether accidental or intentional - I have found my solace in the concept of humorous death.
According to the World health Organization, over 151 thousand people die everyday. I neither sense the loss, care a damn or shed a tear for any of these. People live, people die - it is was it is.
I skydived - people died. I climbed - people died. I was in Rock and Roll - people died. I was involved in drug related activity - people died. I drove to work - people died. I ate bacon and eggs - people died. This exposure led me to develop a healthy sense of what you call Gallows Humor - hell yes we made jokes about the deceased - why the hell not? They paid their money, they took their chances - some got their ticket punched - so what - every thing dies one way or the other - either roll into a ball of emotional fuzz or laugh at death and move on with your own life. Call it cruel - I call it effective.
C'est la vie muthafuker!
What confuses me is if a mere percent of a percent of this daily total of deceased just happens to croak in a place we are familiar with (i.e., Yos) - then now I am supposed to instantly be emotionally attached to this random death and speak with reverence and humility lest some other stranger reads a blog?
Yet I don't hear the gnashing of Net Nanny Teeth over the five year old Syrian kid who drowned off the coast of Greece - but let some dude slide off a cliff in the Holy Valley and all the tears start flowing.
Hypocrisy based on geography.
Death sucks - I get it. I've buried friends and family. I've held some random strangers carotid while he bled out. I've watched a 10 year old go from shock. I've shot some dude who probably did die - never knew for sure. I've watched people fall, bounce, OD and get creamed by a car. And the one thing that always came to the rescue - was the power over death afforded by a tasteless joke.
What defeats Death - laughter does.
so f-it - I still say marmots did it - pffffffffffffffffffffffffffff!
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Sep 19, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
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What defeats Death - laughter does.
Odd... never heard of anyone actually laughing at anyone's jokes about them dying after they were, dead.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 10:24pm PT
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What defeats Death - laughter does.
Laughter never defeated any death.
Jump off a 1000 foot cliff without any safety and start laughing.
Body bag will be be your reward ....
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overwatch
climber
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Sep 20, 2015 - 08:01am PT
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So Cragman learned his lesson after the Robin Williams thread?
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overwatch
climber
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Sep 20, 2015 - 08:36am PT
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You showed lack of sensitivity, sorry if the parallel escapes you.
Supertopo Forum is barely a climbing site.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Sep 20, 2015 - 08:51am PT
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Well said Moose man...
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Sep 20, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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Yes. I deleted my disrespectful post. Sorry.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 20, 2015 - 10:17am PT
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Sep 20, 2015 - 11:24am PT
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Be there or be slandered.
Semper Farcissimus.
In the event that I die first then I hope you all get a good belly laugh.
Unless it's a famine; in which case, you can eat me;)
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