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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
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"Much of the African economy revolves around trophy hunting."
Rdog, averaged over the 13 countries with big game hunting concessions in Africa, the revenue from hunting is 0.06% of GDP. Why are you making bogus claims?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Thanks Jonnyrig!
Again, I don't know what happened in this event. If he broke the law he should be put in jail.
I hate to see anyones livelihood destroyed over accusations before the jury is out.
If you are against hunting that is fine, good for you! No reason for a mob trying to hang someone before the judge has looked at the case. Just my 2 cents.
Why not get mad at Mugabe for what he has done to the people and wildlife of Zimbabwe!
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
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What is your point Ron?
His point is that them colored folks are the real problem. That's always Ron's point.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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Both the professional hunter and land owner had no permit or quota to justify the offtake of the lion and therefore are liable for the illegal hunt."
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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Must suck to have such a small penis.
I knew that we had defeated racism but didn't realize that we had beat sexism too. We rule! :-) Why can't everyone be like us?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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we defeated racism? Oh right, I forgot.
So when I post on the Brady thread I'll now claim he has a small pussy just to even the score.
That's just whack but I'm going for it.
or knot.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:24pm PT
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Nature,
Fry the outfitters and possibly the hunter (still not sure if he knew where they were). Thanks for the info I hadn't seen that in the articles I read.
I am thinking about the overall picture (foreign) hunting provides for certain African countries (Zimbabwe included). Conservation, hunting vs corrupt governments/ and putting value on foreign hunters funding protection of vast lands and the game within those areas.
Just something to chew on.
The only reason Scimitar Horned Oryx, Dama Gazelles, and Addax still exist is because "trophy hunters" have raised/bred them and created herds in Texas. Being extinct in Africa (their native land), I am glad hunter's have promoted this conservation.
Sorry separate topic but related to the anti hunting stuff.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:24pm PT
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Must suck to have such a small penis
+1
Regardless if he knew it was illegal or not, why shoot an endangered animal?
I hope this f*#king as#@&%e goes bankrupt.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
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10b4me
Deep thoughts, why not engage in a conversation of facts? Maybe that is to daunting?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:40pm PT
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Fry the outfitters and possibly the hunter (still not sure if he knew where they were). Thanks for the info I hadn't seen that in the articles I read.
if the outfitters knew what they were doing and that they were going after Cecil then they are screwed and deserver everything coming their way. I suspect, as you elude to, the dentist may not. But that just speaks to the case that he's an ignorant as#@&%e.
Just something to chew on.
yeah, i know what you mean.
I've not eaten red meat for over 30 years. I have no problem with people hunting for food - though I respect the bow hunter more than the 30.06 hunter.
but as anyone paying attention knows I'm a sushi chef. I hunt the oceans and will continue to do so. If you've stood at my sushi bar, and if I've been half sober, you've heard my view on sustainability with our fisheries. double-edge sword and i'll slice my wrist with both sides.
The world is changing and social media is making it much more easier to be aware. This guy deserves every bit of what he's getting. Because regardless of if he knew if it was legal or not he's hunting for trophy and he can suck me until the end of days unless he decides to change his ways.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
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DMT
As I stated, Zimbabwe. I don't feel like doing homework for you. One word- Mugabe
As for other African problems with game vs. natives, vs. protection of reserves, and where that revenue to secure the "protected areas" comes from. It is foreign tourists, some hunt and pay enough that the locals will keep from killing them all so one or two are taken for big money. And the reserves have money from us to enforce the laws that are already on the books.
No hunters, no critters outside of the parks. Simple economics for the landowners and local residents.
I think that is better than having the species extirpated and only surviving in Zoos or Texas?
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
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Qball, I am anti gun, and I am anti hunter
Is that to daunting for you to understand?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:52pm PT
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So, Ron, explain to us how killing for trophies is a good thing.
And remember, before you go all apeshit about liberals and pussies and such, that I grew up with guns and started hunting (for food) probably about the time you were born.
So tell us how killing for the sake of killing is something other than evil.
Well, of course, except for guys that have lost out in the game of life and can't stand tall unless their foot is on the carcass of a dead animal, because otherwise they would have to admit that they don't amount to anything more than a bit dogshit on the shoe of life.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
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* Johnny Rodrigues, chairman of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force
"[Cecil] left some cubs behind. And the pity is now he's gone, the next male will come along, kill all the cubs and take over the pride for his bloodline.
"On Zimbabwe's big game hunting industry...
It's very big. And the whole thing, this has been going on too long. We've already lost about 23 lions, collared lions, which are being studied and researched on. And this is where the problem comes in.
[Some hunters] are not abiding by the rules. You've got unethical hunters and people do what they like because they can bribe their way out of a crime.
We have to bring in [hunting] bans on certain species of animals, like the lion and the endangered animals, so that this doesn't occur again. "
pinche cabrons..
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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I simply wanted to hunt the worlds biggest partridge in a challenging area known as the Ruby Mountains of NV.
Did you do that because you wanted to eat the partridge? Or because you just wanted to kill it?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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Ghost,
I have been trying to explain simple African Conservation Economics for several posts. I didn't think I needed to go further....
If a species has sustainable economic value it (ie lion in Zimbabwe, 4 permits a year for very high dollar) vs no value and the locals killing them all, which is better?
Several large mammal species are now extinct in Africa, Quagga, Bluebuck, Dama Gazelle, Scimitar Horned Orxy, Addax etc...
A few are now only on private game ranches in Texas. These ranchers keep these species and grow their herds because there is a large economic value associated with them.
As for Africa, look at the rhino population in all of Africa, where do you find 95 percent of both black and white rhinos? On private lands! The herds within the parks are functionallly extinct and the species only survives on areas that can control and protect their "livestock". And yes, some are sold, traded with nat parks and some are shot by evil white guys that promote the thin existence of these species.
Saving the wild things is tough especially in Africa.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:26pm PT
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I hunted the Himalayan snowcock
did you get one? did you even see one?
EDIT: Q-Ball, it's just good old thread drift
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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Kind of weird folks would use (Introduced) Himalayan Snowcocks as an example of an endangered species in the USA. That is akin to wanting to protect feral cats in the USA.
I have surveyed for Altai Snowcocks in Russia. Never seen the Himalayan species. Guess I just need to head to the Ruby's, cheaper then flying to Nepal.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
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If a species has sustainable economic value it (ie lion in Zimbabwe, 4 permits a year for very high dollar) vs no value and the locals killing them all, which is better?
how about a third option? The option that Cecile exemplifies. It's happening in many places all over the world. Whale Sharks in Indonesia, for example. Teach the locals a live Whale Shark is worth 10,000 time more than a dead one. See Raja Ampat for example and the work my friend Shawn Heinrichs did there.
As I said upthread I get it. But I do not agree with it. I think there are other options that are better. Though I also understand that comparing Lions in Africa to Whale Sharks in Indonesia are not the same. But I advocate for the latter and I do it will all my heart. I don't agree with your example and I have thought about it a lot. And you have as well.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:59pm PT
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Nature,
I would love a third option!
The way I see it.... right now stuff is getting killed. To ban tourist/foreigner hunting would be horrible for people and wildlife. The foreign hunters are the providers to African Conservation. It is sad, but the truth.
I think a distinction should be made, protected areas vs. hunting reserves (within this argument).
There are areas of Botswana that are overpopulated with elephants. The habitat is being over grazed and all the other species are being brought down because of it.
I would rather see an elephant shot worth a $50,000 bill than just killed for nothing. Or watching it starve to death.
No easy solution, keep me posted on the third option!
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