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Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jun 18, 2015 - 09:51am PT
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:47am PT
Yes Tom,
you do know how the Taco is. These days, as before...
it hasn't changed much, except of course, for
the fact that the haters are proportionally increasing. It's a new generation Tom. 1970s climbers were proud and free. But these kids, it's scary. Seems a lot of young people have little to do all day other than throwing up their last meal onto whatever appears on their screen.
Pathetic.
The future looks grim. Or to quote a 1970s guy who knew:
There's no future... no future! No future for you [them].
Seems to me I see way more bitching and hate from your generation than my own on this site.
Someone willing to get that close on a solo and throw in the towel makes me think he had good reasons. Either way I don't really care and glad he's off safely.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jun 18, 2015 - 09:53am PT
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Hope his hands come back. If it's a neurological degeneration issue, that can really be debilitating.
Good call on a rescue at that point, rather than try for it and get in a more fuxed position and put Yosar in more danger than needed.
Controlled. Daylight. Before it got bad.
Makes sense.
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nopantsben
climber
europe
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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Seems to me I see way more bitching and hate from your generation than my own on this site.
I wanted to say the same. Those who showed what fools they are on this thread are all old farts.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:29am PT
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Ben.....you may remember that you had two "old farts" show you the way on the Evolution Traverse.
There is a lot of ageist abuse thrown at people who have managed to keep the grim reaper at bay...why is this?
What is the corollary for "old fart" perhaps "young dickhead."
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:34am PT
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Jim I prefer "young queefs"
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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Great pics Tom. Many thanks to YOSAR as they are ready when climbers on the Captain are in trouble. Those of us lucky enough not to have been in a position to need a rescue (yet) need not judge.
Cheers,
Doug
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nopantsben
climber
europe
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:50am PT
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you may remember that you had two "old farts" show you the way on the Evolution Traverse. I do remember two old men showing me the way on that traverse, but I am sure you and George do not qualify as "farts".
There is a lot of ageist abuse thrown at people who have managed to keep the grim reaper at bay...
I am sorry if I offended you. I didn't know ageist abuse was a problem that existed here.
What is the corollary for "old fart" perhaps "young dickhead." Wow, thanks.
I thought this was clear, but ok. I wasn't referring to everyone older than whatever age. I was referring to two or three idiots who chose to put themselves on a pedestal and take a piss from there.
edit. in any case, Jim. Sorry if I offended you, I wish to apologise. I appreciate what you did for me on many occasions.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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Ben, I know you don't feel that way....hell, you've climbed with me enough! I really enjoy climbing with MUCH younger climbers....keeps me on my toes and helps my perspective stay fesh.
It just seems that whenever the age of an older climber comes up its in a somewhat derogatory sense.
Getting older isn't for sissies....believe me. I hope and trust you'll find out for yourself.
We have to share a rope again sometime in the near future.
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Jun 18, 2015 - 11:03am PT
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Getting older isn't for sissies
You got that right buddy. In my experience, existing and surviving at 50 and up takes more push than it ever did at 30. Hell, 30 was EASY.
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nopantsben
climber
europe
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Jun 18, 2015 - 11:05am PT
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It just seems that whenever the age of an older climber comes up its in a somewhat derogatory sense. That is a bummer, I honestly wasn't aware that was the case.
I realise what a dumb post of mine the one you referred to was.
We should climb together:) I have a car now, maybe you should come out here?
I will be in the Valley with my dad though, from Aug.20 till Sept. 10. Definitely heading up to TM too for a day or two. Maybe our paths cross?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 18, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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Going to the Caucases this Fall but next year the Dolomites beckon.
Wasn't a dumb post, I was having a senior moment......now where did I put my coffee?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 18, 2015 - 11:27am PT
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Far better to be safe than sorry.
Seems to me Mark Hudon, who I'm pretty sure is no one's idea of a wimp or inexperienced, had to ask for help pretty high up on El Cap the year before last.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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I have always tried to give this site the benefit of the doubt and even stopped posting for a time... looks like a good time to go back to that..
Tom, I, for one, would feel a real loss. You've provided me with progress reports of friends when I'm stuck in the flats and heat of the Big Raisin, and otherwise unable to see and know what they're doing.
We all have a tendency to judge others, whether it's a climber on El Cap a policeman confronting a civilian, or (my personal sin) a driver with whom I share the road. We seldom have the information needed to make that judgment, and few seem inclined to honor the direction to "Judge not, that you not be judged." Please don't let our human imperfection stop your wonderful reports.
John
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:01pm PT
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FWIW I've known Matt for quite a while and we've climbed together. If Matt decided to call for a rescue it was for good reason. In our circle of friends one of the things we talk about a lot is the ethic of self sufficiency and the proudness of self rescue.
Haterz be haterz, but I'm quite certain y'all have no idea what actually went on up there. For Stanich to toss it in that close to the top in good weather means to me that he simply couldn't progress upwards. I know he sure as hell wanted too.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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Super lame to be dissing this guy. Probably wasn't an easy decision to make, especially after all the time and effort he put in.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:29pm PT
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I would not shove him out of the helicopter for a 'my hands hurt' rescue
either.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:38pm PT
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Pussy! So speaks the fat guy standing in a pair of aiders.
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
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PTPP, Potatoehead, STFU.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Jun 18, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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Pretty shocked at some of you quick to judge. I know Matt and he's not one quick to bail. Far from. Pete and Potato, go scramble that egg off your face.
Jeff Stephan
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Jun 18, 2015 - 06:46pm PT
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Like Kris said, Matt is a solid climber, I've roped up with him before and I know that if he called for a rescue, he really needed it.
The internet trolls are quick to throw their negativity around, but you won't see many of them trying to solo an El Cap route. How quick people are to judge without knowing the facts, pretty sad really, The Internet promotes negativity because of this anonymity. people say things on the internet that they would never say to a person's face because they just don't have the balls to say those things to someone else's face.
That's my .02 cents
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