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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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HK pretends like he DIDN’T nuke it. Yeah right bro, we all know you’re a nark!
TOOL!
Please expound.
Oh yeah - when I'm knott circumventing the language filter at every opportunity,
and participating in flame-wars with mean-spirited, in-your-face comments,
I whimsically nuke (popular) flame threads, eh? Then again, I would fit right in at RC.com...
LOL!
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Someplace F*#ked!
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2006 - 06:50pm PT
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Please expound
What is that, some kind of code for "nuke this thread" ? Some kind of Al Queda secret code there eh windtalker?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Better watch it...or I'll have to get nuke-you-lur on your ass...
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G_Gnome
Boulder climber
Sick Midget Land
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And since when did fattrad not like being called a 'tool'. I am pretty sure he is damn proud of being a 'tool'. Am I right, or knott?
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Ouch!
climber
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The Mad Nuker.
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Loom
climber
The Whiteboard Jungle
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I wrote on this thread from 04 about Ranger Hoeflich trying to roust me one night when I was parked near el cap meadow. He bounced up and down on my rear bumper while bear hugging my shell, did a prolonged drum solo on my shell, and he got so frustrated that all his drumming and bouncing, and yelling (yeah there was some of that too)couldn't get me to come out that he drove up next to my truck and turned his siren on. Then he sped off down the road, turned around, came zooming back and then drove very slowly past my truck again while running his siren. Maybe he thought I was in there with his wife??? The boy has issues.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Ouch - LMFAO
Edit: that's fuçking ass, knott fat...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I caught most of the original thread, and had intended to post a note suggesting that the original poster (venter) remove it, but didn't have a chance before it was done. Anastasia's post was well put.
The original post, and some of the subsequent ones, may have been considered defamatory by a court. The OP, and other posters, have pseudonyms. Not so SuperTopo and Chris McNamara. SuperTopo may have been open to a lawsuit as publisher of what was said. It was prudent to remove the thread, and IMHO it wasn't appropriate playpen/campfire behaviour to post it in the first place - we owe our host a little forethought and restraint in what we post. SuperTopo may be on the hook, legally or in the court of public opinion, whether or not we are.
Whether or not what was said was legally defensible, some heated things were said about an identified person, someone who is apparently not a SuperTopian. I doubt that SuperTopo wants to become a forum where anonymous personal attacks can be made, in particular on civil servants, especially civil servants in Yosemite National Park. (Trading insults within the ST community, on the other hand, is apparently tolerable, though not to my taste.)
I don't know any of the people involved, and can't comment on the facts and truth of what was said. However, there may be other, more constructive, avenues to address the behaviour complained of. Those affected by the decision could review the matter with the person who made it. If still unhappy, they could then talk with the person's supervisor. After that, written complaints and even lawsuits are an option. There are processes for such things, though they can take time and effort.
Certainly bureaucrats can sometimes be petty tyrants, favouritism can play a role in decisions and policy formation, and fighting the bureaucracy is frustrating. But there are ways to constructively address these things - look at the decision to save Camp 4. Focussing on the facts, and the real issues, helps. Mixing in personalities and history often doesn't.
There are better places and ways to address these things than SuperTopo.
Anders
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TradIsGood
Fun-loving climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Would have been a funny story, if it were about a fictional person, or if the person writing it were laughing at himself. But it was tasteless when published about a real person.
Probably "penned" by someone with no pockets. Showed no respect for the forum or its owner by using it in the way that it was.
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Standing Strong
Mountain climber
1st star to the right & straight on 'til morning
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"someone with no pockets"? I havn't heard that expression. What's it mean?
and nature - yea civil rights violations in the parks are my business - just maybe not all the other stuff.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Blinny has it right - someone with no pockets is someone not worth suing. (That is, if you could get behind the pseudonym to know who to sue.) Someone with deep pockets (assets) is.
Anders
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Standing Strong
Mountain climber
1st star to the right & straight on 'til morning
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assets are hot.
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TradIsGood
Fun-loving climber
the Gunks end of the country
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eKat's got it.
Slander and libel are after all civil matters.
In a civil matter the best defense is penniless.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Is the intent of suing "only" about getting a cash reward? I think not. It's the idea behind the suit that is what's supposed to be important. Or at least that's what I always imagined.
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TradIsGood
Fun-loving climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Happie, (practically speaking) suing requires a lawyer. A lawyer needs to get paid. If there is a deep pocket and a good case, the lawyers takes the case on a contingency. He gets paid a percentage of the damages awarded and nothing if he does not prevail.
If it is a bad case, and you have a lot of money, you can pay the lawyer, taking the risk on yourself. If you win, lawyer gets paid hourly fee.
If it is a good or a bad case, and the defendent has nothing, and you have money to piss away, some lawyers will be happy to work for you.
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Someplace F*#ked!
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2006 - 10:10pm PT
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OUCH - HOLY SH#TE! I almost hosed my keyboard with beer!
LOOM- Recall that story from the original post. I've been woken up once or forty times by the rap a tat tat of a Mag Light on my window, but I've never actually had anyone try to arse phuck my truck before!
Mighty Hiker- Blah blah blah, sue sue sue, money money $$$$$. Go back to law school dude, you're boring!
HK=NARK!
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C. james t. kirk
Big Wall climber
Drake Passage
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Now why would someone "nuke" that thread???
It was not Slander. It was gossip. But nonetheless there is a reason for Jacks hatred to climbers. Do you know anybody in the community that goes out on their off days and tries to make things harder for the community they use to belong to.
I can understand that he will stand behind his badge before he stands behind another friend thats a climber. But since that "incident" with his wife he has had a revenge attitude.
He takes it farther than Lober.
There are climbers here at Super Topo who have been stakled my Jack. They were around during that time in 2002 and 2001. When all this went down.
Im not sure if Werner chimmed in, probally something he wouldn't discuss.
I cana understand the feelings of being betrayed be someone who says they love you. But at some point he keeps directing it to climbers who for no reason at all.
I never got to read what others said. Again, its not slander. abit gosspie, but at some point when your sleeping in your rig, and someone is prying on the windows and jabbing you in your car with a STEEL ROD....something is wrong.
Or "Destruction of Vegatation" ticket....your cost, 300$ or if your someone else who I will not mention....1,000$$
Or if you happen to just walk by Jack and your on his list, be prepared to stop and go thru the Spanish Inquistion.
Here is the biggest thing...
He's going after more the climbers who were around in the era and the SAR site then climbers today who for the first time stroll into Yos. And the climbers from that era know who they are..
Captian James T. Kirk
Commander : Star Ship Enterprise
Star Date : 2006.10.04
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coiler
Trad climber
yosemite
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I guess the truth hurts...A weasel is as a weasel does
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