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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
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Seeing is believing and I have not seen this in action or video.
Snugging that chest harness down like a training bra outrages my manly
sensitivities somehow. Is it a gender neutral rig? Insist that the OP post a image of his gf-wife wearing it.
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Mickster
Social climber
New Jack City, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2015 - 12:41pm PT
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Except you're still not listening and largely missing point after point.
OK, healyje, I'll get a Hover-Drone Partner, make my chest harness unisex, and never imitate Werner. Notice that I am listening, and responding, to point after point.
As I recall, your ex-partner was using a Soloist, not a Cinch, when he had that backward-leaning, horizontal fall.
Your whole point seems intended to just shut me up. Spoilsport!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
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Mickster: Your whole point seems intended to just shut me up. Spoilsport!
On the contrary, it's what's turning out to be a vain attempt to get you to listen, but it appears you aren't interested in that.
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Mickster
Social climber
New Jack City, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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healyje, if you would kindly state the "suggestions" that you want me to hear, instead of accusing me of not listening, I'd be more receptive to your comments. I've read your post about roped solo free climbing where you allow that the Cinch may be OK for TR solo:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/Articles/Training_and_Technique/Roped_Solo_Free_Climbing_-_The_essence_of_self-reliance_one_path_among_many_675.html
While many of the posters prefer their own self-belay method and obviously don't agree with what I've presented here, I hope that this "controversy" will stimulate people's thinking, and that some readers will be able to benefit from this discussion. There is much more that can be said about risk reduction, product safety and liability issues, and the value of experimentation, but I'll leave those topics for others to discuss.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jun 26, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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Eric- that's just plain rope soloing. No top involved right? Anchor at the bottom?
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Jun 26, 2015 - 09:59pm PT
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I am an idiot, and deleted my stupid posts.
I can only hope my community forgives me for my transgressions.
The wife is much smarter than me.
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Andy KP
climber
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Hi
I did do quite a bit of talking to people over the years and the Silent partner does work like a seat belt in that it works on a inertia-reel (maybe I'm wrong), that allows the drum to run but locks down when a sharp force is applied. Happy to admit I'm wrong if that's not correct, but when teaching people about the device that's the best way to describe how it works.
Cheers
Andy
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overwatch
climber
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Yes I would be interested in how it does work rather than how it doesn't work.
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Mickster
Social climber
New Jack City, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
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Yes, I'm still alive and well. Thanks for asking, Dingus. Haven't been doing much TR soloing since finding a reliable belay partner, but I did make some upgrades to my system, such as a BD chest harness and a DMM Belay Master 2 carabiner to hold everything together. As a backup, I've been using a very dynamic rope with a series of loops, and two short tethers for clipping in with Edelrid HMS Strike Slider FG auto-locking carabiners.
This is strictly my own exploration that I am sharing here, and I do not advise anyone to try this.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Kinda looks like something from my other homepage site, BDSMfetish.net
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Yeah I'll stick with two minis thank you. Although if I had disposable income I would probably switch to micros purely because of weight saving
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couchmaster
climber
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The BD chest harness looks perfect. Thanks for sharing that. I've been using a Misty Mountain big wall gear sling and it's sloppy. BTW, I don't use a Cinch. However, you asked us not to talk about what we we have found which works better than a Cinch on your first post, so I will continue to respect those wishes as have many others. Quote first post: "I also beg you to spare me (and the other readers) from your opinions about and experiences with TR-soloing using Traxions, Shunts, Soloists, Ushbas, Grigris, etc." What I use is much better than a Cinch. So I'll spare you as you don't want to discuss that, per your request. Have fun with the Cinch. Glad you found a partner.
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Mickster
Social climber
New Jack City, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
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Couchmaster, thank you for keeping your chosen self-belay device a secret. The reason I requested that people refrain from talking about all the other devices that have been used is that I didn't want this thread to get hijacked, as so often happens.
However, I am curious as to why you think your method is better. Have you actually tried using a Cinch in the way I've described and run into problems that have not occurred with your chosen device? If you have tested the Cinch as a self-belay device, I am most eager to hear about your experiences with it.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Lead rope solo or Fixed Line TR solo, Gri Gri #1 unmodified works for me, every time! No back up needed. LOL just don't imitate me, I'm insane! You may get hurt. The Cinch I call the Pinch friggin hurts. Me no like.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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cool picture... how do you get rope to feed when you're free climbing? PDL type method?
OP how do you expect couchmaster to compare and contrast methods without talking about what he uses? You can't have it both ways
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Pull up slack on the dead side, hold in teeth, then pump the slack out on the live side as needed. Yes you are setting up for a big whipper, Don't Fall.
Falling
Always
looks
lame.
Shoulder strap/ chest harness is going to hinder your climbing ability.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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pretty fuggin smart dude thanks for the reply. What about top rope do you just pull the slack through? I used that method all the time before I got the two Mini. It definitely seems more like leading and if I'm going to fall with slack on a rope I want it to be a gri-gri
That said I will stick with a silent partner for leading
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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In general I do not like devices that contain sharp teeth.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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ooops breaking the thread rules and restrictions.
Thanks for the replies
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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There were a few instances when the Cinch didn't engage
enough said...
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