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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 22, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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Congrats. Strangely enough I was just wondering the other night what you'd been up to.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 22, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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Congrats on the national media exposeure for your research. Hopefully there will now be more attention on this horrible situation.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
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Kind of odd that that the only metric for rape cited in this article was income---- but not all that surprising, given that we are talking NY Times here.
That rape is more common amonst the economically and socially "disadvantaged" is not news.
Who funded this eye-opening revelation? Not the taxpayer I hope.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
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Thanks Callie. Rape and molestation are the primary underlying traumas in most of the women I treat as a therapist. The trauma can hang on for decades. More awareness equals more possibilities that women will come in for treatment. It is a very isolating trauma, especially with the blame the victim stance so common in our culture.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
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The Rolling Stone pieces was beyond " faulty" in that it was a total fabrication.And as far as I know, they have refused to retract the lie they knowingly published.
At least Crimpergirl's piece contains a germ of truth---although highly simplified, and something we already know.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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That rape is more common amonst the economically and socially "disadvantaged" is not news.
Go ahead and take a whack at explaining how you know this to be true?
WTF is a rape metric?
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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I know it's true because Crimpergirl's research verifed what I already know to be true.
You don't know what a "metric" means when used in this context?
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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Most research doesn't yield a surprise.
Usually the goal is to carefully quantify what is going on,
and hopefully relate it to observable factors.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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The NYT times has a 900 word limit. There is a lot more I could have added (including tables and figures) but had to be economical with words.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
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All the factors you cited in the list above amount to income , even including age.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
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age is independent of income.
(actually what I meant is that you can stratify separately by age and income; it's true that older people tend to have higher incomes)
I agree the other things are related to income, although not 100%.
Like Callie said, you can't go into much depth in an op-ed.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 22, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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Clint, I'm not sure age is entirely independent of income, although the relationship is nonlinear. Wealth and age have an even stronger correlation. In fact, many of the factors Callie uses as exogenous variables have multicollinearity issues, which makes for interesting statistical methodology problems.
Still, I find the results interesting and useful. I certainly don't find them a waste of time or money. Even if, as Ward suggests, we know the sign of the coefficient, I, for one, had no a priori idea of the value of the coefficient for, say, income as an explanatory variable of sexual violence victims.
The only criminology class I ever took was a class on "victimology," offered as an upper-division undergraduate class at Berkeley in its College of Criminology (no longer in existence). I'd be curious if there exists a subculture of victims or of perps of sexual violence. My victimology textbook The Victim and His Criminal (the title dates it nicely) suggests that there would be a subculture of victims. Any insight on that, Callie?
Thanks.
John
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Dec 22, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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Good article and I appreciate the attempt to get at the stats for something that is unpleasant for many to talk about.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Dec 23, 2014 - 03:50am PT
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Nice job, Callie! I found the piece to be quite informative, even with the word limit. Hopefully this will help to stimulate more research and more data collection and communication.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Dec 23, 2014 - 04:49am PT
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Kudos to Crimpergirl for having her research published, especially (as noted above) for a societal problem grossly neglected.
Having had relationships with two victims of sexual assault that went unreported, one a college graduate and one not, I would be frightened to know the statistics if these and all the other unreported cases were tallied.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 23, 2014 - 05:23am PT
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What an excellent, relevant piece, Crimper...happy to have someone like you on the forum.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 05:49am PT
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I would be frightened to know the statistics if these and all the other unreported cases were be tallied. The statistics in the National Crime Victimization Survey are closer to the true rates than the numbers from police reports.
This is because it is a household survey, so it will pick up crimes which were not reported to the police
(if the person is willing to report them to the survey interviewer).
It is this survey which makes it possible to estimate the fraction of these crimes which go unreported to police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Victimization_Survey
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 23, 2014 - 05:57am PT
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The story that is ignored. Rennison gets my vote.
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EdwardT
Gym climber
Discontent
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Dec 23, 2014 - 06:11am PT
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Nice piece, Crimpergirl.
Someone close to me recently served on a jury for a sexual assault case. Two young men (17 or 18) broke in to a woman's house. Their initial intent was robbery. They needed money. But after finding her in just her panties, they felt "obligated" to rape her. The defendant thought he would get probation, considering it was his first offense. He's serving a 20 year sentence.
Society needs to have an ongoing effort to educate people, especially young men, on the seriousness of sexual assault.
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