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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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I love the campfire style of this forum.
It's awesome to read about some impressive and even some not so impressive climbing accomplishments. It is great that a forum like this exists for folks to learn about others they may not have known about, such as the Fly'n Brian thread. It's like an online library with some of the legends of the sport telling their tales.
There are many interesting threads which make this forum unique. I think it is cool that there are hunting and fishing stories, weather alerts, wildfire tales, aviation stuff, etc… It's why I keep coming back, more so than the climbing TRs.
There are lots of popular threads that I don't even click on. Partly because they devolve to name calling, but mainly because I have no interest in sharing my religious or political views on the inter web with a bunch of virtual strangers. Since you are asking, my two cents would be to give certain anonymous offenders who might cause problems a warning or two before banning them.
Thanks for the great forum and waste of perfectly good time.
Darn that clock is ticking.
Albert Newman (a.ka. "the albatross")
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:45pm PT
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You will never escape politcal debate. Best to leave it confined to those threads, than try to play police all the time. Nobody is forced to click on a thread with an obvious political OT title.
What I see as a MUCH more irritating issue is the "clever" (hint:you're not) folks who think posting a riff-on-an-existing thread title is a good idea. An example: The "Overrated" thing going on right now that has spawned about half-dozen spinoff/lookalikes and begin dominate the front page. Hey, dipshits? It's not cute, it's not funny. Maybe the first time, long ago, certainly not now. Give it a f@#$^%$g rest already.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
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We are all adults here, we know what doesn't belong. Some are just too selfish to give a sh#t.
And Elcap....you are right, but I am lazy. If I don't see anything interesting within the first 3 pages I close the web broswer and do something else.
Also....I imagine I am not the only one doing this. So that is why 1/2 the threads on the front page are non climbing.
Some say "this is what the people want!" I won't argue that, but it isn't necessarily true either. This is what current active posters want, and yes there is a big difference.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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Dump the political threads. But then where do you stop ? Threads such as the drought thread will turn to the political blame game soon enough.
Other forums have a "campfire" section for OT stuff.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
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I like the Wild West approach, with everything right there without having to click open folders, which pretty much drove me away from rockclimbing.com. Last time I looked, one or two of the folders at that site hadn't had posts in over a year. And those were climbing-related.
You might consider making it a tad more difficult to start a new thread. Some of the latest are humorous but inane. Also, it would be really good to require posters to use their own names . . . but this may be impossible or onerous.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:51pm PT
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"I would hazard to guess that if you did a poll, most users here would go for option #2. The disadvantage of the second option is that you will need to moderate more to keep an eye on the threads to ensure they don't turn into a garbage fest of attacks. A good example here is the 77 plane crash thread - you have had a poster there that has been attacking the OP for years and has completely destroyed the thread IMO, and yet you do nothing.
The other disadvantage is that you will have to have SOME form of structure, so that people know what's OT and what isn't. You shouldn't have to spell it out as we are supposedly all adults here, but it will have to be done.
The real question I would pose to you, Chris, is this:
Are you going to make a decision based on your business, or based on the community that has gathered here?
You're a businessman, but you are also a climber. I feel that you need to find a compromise that suits both, but you need to take some action one way or the other. To my eyes, the Taco has been disintegrating the last couple years. Nothing changes, if nothing changes.
At the end of the day, I know very well there is no way to make everyone happy. But speaking for myself, I'd really like to see a change on this subject."
What Vegasclimber said x2!
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
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"If you eliminate the OT threads, where would all that arrogance, vitriol and hate move to? Do you think those people would just change their behavior? I am sure they will pollute the climbing related threads."
What Moose said x2 as well......
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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I don't have a problem with that thread or any other politard thread. I never click on them.
The ebb and flow of supertopo is what keeps me around. I'd be bummed and probably leave if it got all sanitized and sh#t.
Thx for the forum Chris!
I'm with Larry and Mr E on this one.
And you people whining for seperate tabs, if you don't understand why that wouldn't work you're flat out not paying attention! You think a flamethrower type is going to politely keep their trolls in the proper tab? Really?
It would accomplish absolutely nothing but make this site more generic.
Cmac asks us to play nice. Heed the request or face the potential whack! Really, how hard is that to understand?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
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wood burning stoves, clearly.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
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Maybe Dirtbag can step up and do the right thing by deleting the offending thread.
And maybe everyone else can demonstrate a little adult self-control, and not start a "son of" thread to replace it.
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Dickly
Social climber
KY
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
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The n00blets at Mtn Proj discuss actual climbing all the time and have separate forums for o.t. sh#t. Seems to me they have it going where as this place has turned into an old folks home of people repeating themslves to the point where you wonder if half the people here dont wear diapers now.
The trip reports here are awesome, more climbing, less whining.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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I'd axe the boob threads. Slander ... well, if someone was going to retro bolt wings of steel or move one of the white Rastafarian rocks then maybe they deserve it. (just kidding) Subjects like Ferguson can easily devolve into white supremacy, as can immigration issues. I think the line would be where you make people feel unwelcome. Otherwise I also like the wild west environment and think it would be counterproductive to try to control what people want to talk about.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
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Seems pretty simple to have a Climbing tab, an OT tab, and a Butthurt tab.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
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I'm with the "if you don't want to look at it, don't click it" group.
An "OT" tab would be nice though
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
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Can't everyone just bag their own sh#t and take it home.
Might be time for a new climbers forum.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:28pm PT
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Maybe Dirtbag can step up and do the right thing by deleting the offending thread.
I frankly do not care if it is deleted. There is no content there that anyone will want to revisit in 6 months. The main point was to funnel all political talk into one thread, and I think it mostly succeeds. My only hesitation is that members who posted there might get ticked off by me nuking it.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
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As a virtual campfire, a lot of OT subjects seem just fine. However, politics is usually one the least discussed topics at most campfires I've sat around.
I applaud nuking some of the more egregious flame-bait topics, and the more persistent trolls.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
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You could split the forum into two sections. climbing stuff and OT stuff. you do run the risk of killing the forum though. sometimes a change is good, somtimes in the internet age a change makes you extinct....?
NEICE has a largely unmoderated forum called The Dark Side. You can only see the content if you know the password. You only get the password by invitation or by figureing it out. the password is obscene as in NSFW. you used to have to log in with the obcenity every time you viewed the site. Logging in with the obcenity put you in the mood to rant, rave and froth at the mouth. the forrum thrived to the point of haveing anual dark side bonfire beer bashes. about 4 or 5 years ago they changed it so that you only needed to log in once and then the Dark Side was always viewable. It fizzeled out and almost completly went away. I doubt there were more than 20 posts last season......
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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VegasClimber said it best. Well done.
I've given up on asking for a 2nd tab because that concept has been ignored for as long as I've been here. Who knows, getting one might not change anything, but it sure should allow those who want climbing only content to see climbing only content.
The spinoff threads are also tiresome. They were cute 10 years ago, catch up.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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Simple solution , the OT TAB.
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