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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:39am PT
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Heading to Vons...
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JimT
climber
Munich
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Oct 18, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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On our 2 week trip to the USA this year we (60+, caucasian males with English accents you can hear a mile off) got:-
Scanned and fingerprinted at immigration.
Stopped 4 times by Border Patrol.
Inspected twice by border patrol helis.
2 times by county sherriffs.
2 times by highway patrol.
Checked out once by park rangers.
It´s great being a visitor to the land of the free!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 18, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
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Gotta love the right - they scream 'protect the borders!!!' at the top of their lungs and then cry 'police state!!!' when they do...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 18, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
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Puzzling, No?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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I don't mind enforcing immigration and customs at the border (good fences make good neighbors), but US citizens traveling on highways within this country and getting stopped?
I agree that the BP officers off the highways seem like good guys, but the checkpoints are a hassle. What is the cost benefit?
A few years ago a friend commuted from East of the I-8 checkpoint. He was stopped nearly every morning. Minding his own business going to work to support his family. Made to feel like a criminal.
Meanwhile, another friend in Tuscon told me a couple of years ago that the whole Southern section of Sagauro National Park is off limits per the border patrol.
Security and liberty is a zero sum equation.
Many of the civil liberties suspended for the "War on Drugs" are also used by homeland security or the NSA.
Check out this comedians hilarious but also sobering take on civil forfeiture "laws", where your day in court never happens.
http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/topics/civil-forfeiture?xg_source=msg_mes_network
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 18, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
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I've always heard about police corruption down there...
The U.S. State Department released a warning about how police corruption in Mexico is "legendary, and true." Perhaps the state department should release a similar warning about the U.S.A.
I can tell you of many incidents of police corruption in the U.S. that I have witnessed, or been the victim of.
I have also had to bribe Mexico cops to stay out of slimy Mexican jails.
You may ask, why do I end up having to bribe my way out of jail? What was I doing wrong?
The only thing I was doing wrong was breathing within eye sight of corrupt police who were on the take.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
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Willouby, I felt like I could be pulled over or inspected any time by the police force , weather it be BP or any LEO.
It just felt that all the rights to privacy and unreasonable search were taken away.
I am from Hawaii were things are pretty mellow.
I was shocked at the amount of police and border patrol precence there.
Nothing to hide , no contraband, but still, intimidating.
I wont be going back to SE Arizona soon ,even if the birding is good.
They say, if you have not done any thing wrong, or don't have any thing
on you ,then why worry.
I worry because they can throw you in Jail for no reason. F*#k the 4th amendment.
Again I understand the reasoning but these people are trained to suspect you of being on the wrong side of the law.
It is a mind set I do not want to relate too.
And don't even get me started on for profit prison systems....
Lets bust that guy... and make some money. We don't care if he is innocent.
I can't imagine being caught up in that sh#t.
It makes me want to stop traveling any where with in 100 miles of the southern border.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 18, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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Don't you think it's the least bit curious that 10 ISIS operatives have been captured at the U.S. border by CHP and there are no names or perp walk? Those guys live for that stuff.
I'm calling pants on fire bogus.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Oct 19, 2014 - 12:36am PT
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I lived in Sierra Vista for a couple of years and was stopped on the highway a couple
Of times at checkpoints on the highway north of town.
Always polite, no hassle even with a foreign accent......
I spent time hiking some of the main trails (and some obscure ones) in
The Huachucas, regularly coming across evidence of immigrants on foot.
Some of it indicating very small children were in the parties.
Once out of the mountains they had to use the highways and those choke points
Is where the border patrol chose to wait for them, rather than go looking in the hills.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 01:54am PT
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This link might explain whats going on at the borders. Yikes. Had to read about it in a Australian news site though.
It basically explains that a republican pol will stoop to any depths to fearmonger - not that that's a real surprise anything new...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 19, 2014 - 01:54am PT
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I'm calling pants on fire bogus.
Duh - look at the source - Fox news.
Totally bogus.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 19, 2014 - 06:30am PT
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Nothing bogus about it at all
Congresman Beto O'Rourke called the border patrol threatening to fire whoever leaked this.
Islamic terrorists have entered the United States through the Mexican border and Homeland Security sources tell Judicial Watch that four have been apprehended in the last 36 hours by federal authorities and the Texas Department of Public Safety in McAllen and Pharr. http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/jw-confirms-4-isis-terrorists-arrested-texas-last-36-hours/
This has been corroborated by multiple sources in both DHS and TDPS that with their jobs threatened are still anonymous.
Federal law enforcement sources in El Paso say that a United States congressman called their office to prohibit contact with Judicial Watch in the aftermath of a disturbing story confirming that Islamic terrorists are operating in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez.
Sources tell JW that Beto O’Rourke, a Democrat who represents El Paso in the U.S. House of Representatives, telephoned the area offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) in an effort to identify—and evidently intimidate—sources that may have been used by JW. On August 29 JW reported that the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) is working in Juarez and planning to attack the United States with car bombs or other vehicle borne improvised explosive devices (VBIED).
In the piece JW cites high-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources confirming that a warning bulletin for an imminent terrorist attack on the border has been issued. Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat. In the aftermath of JW’s story Ft. Bliss, an El Paso Army base near Juarez, increased security measures and the sheriff in Midland County Texas—located halfway between Ft. Worth and El Paso—confirmed that he received an alert bulletin warning from the feds that ISIS may have formed a terrorist cell in or near Juarez.
O’Rourke evidently believes that someone on the inside is feeding JW information because the facts in all our reporting have been correct, according to government sources with first-hand knowledge of the matter. “He called the El Paso offices of the FBI, HSI and USBP asking if anyone was talking to Judicial Watch,” one inside source told JW this week. O’Rourke’s calls were followed by a memo that came down through the chain of command threatening to terminate or criminally charge any agent who speaks to media of any kind. This would include JW, a nonprofit legal watchdog that has broken a number of government corruption stories on its website and newsletter.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/09/feds-el-paso-rep-orourke-called-ban-contact-jw/
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Oct 19, 2014 - 09:07am PT
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Locker- A neat Winter Do-it-yourself project: a Guillotine!?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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We were hunting and had arms obviously visible in the truck too.The agents were courteous and professional. We had zero problems or anything to complain about.
They most likely pissed their pants when approached by such a band of Comancheros. I'm thinking of filing a public records request for their dry cleaning receipts.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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This has been corroborated by multiple sources in both DHS and TDPS that with their jobs threatened are still anonymous.
The story says CHP. They aren't feds and the Feds can't touch them. No way the state cops are going to let the Feds take credit.
Pants on fire.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
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Judicial Watch confirming Hunter's ISIS story is on par with having Bernie Madoff vet Enron's financial statements. It's just another classic case of the right manufacturing bullshit that's validated by more rightwing bullshitters. Again, a circle-jerk that doesn't fool anyone outside of the ignorant base they already have in the bag.
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