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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Jul 10, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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Another sufferer here for many years. Morton's neuroma also but they are different issues
I had the custom orthotics, cortisone etc and next was suggested surgery. Then I came across the Aline. Ekat is spot on about it being a worthy investment. I even take it on long road trips. I've been rocking for 8 years now and it HAS NEVER COME BACK !
True believer. I rock at least 3 to 4 times a week. I could do it every day if I remembered.
Susan
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 10, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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Ekat understands my shorthand. I just figured I'd trawl for some advice from the foot pain cognoscenti.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Jul 10, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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I fell bouldering once and cracked my calcaneous, or heelbone. Hurt like a sonofabitch.
The pain came from the Fasciitis rather than the bone. I had to take it easy on that foot for a solid year before it went away.
So....take it easy and let it heal.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 10, 2014 - 12:52pm PT
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What about Morton's Neuroma? Anyone?
Not sure I have it, but I suffered from metatarsalgia from over use last week, same injury. Happened on a one day trip up and down the North Kaibab trail at the Grand Canyon. Descending causes it for me, I was concerned that I would be unable to walk out. I finished but I could barely walk the next day. That really opened my eyes to that part of my body. I picked up some insoles and cushioning pads that go under the foot just behind the toes.
Any other advice on protecting this area of the foot is appreciated
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cyndiebransford
climber
Kenai Peninsula, Alaska
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Jul 10, 2014 - 12:52pm PT
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I suffered with PF, in addition to the above recommendations I tried accupuncture. The accupuncturist said it was very difficult to treat and I concur. I had at least 10 treatments and no relief. I did find that wearing Z-coil shoes helped a lot with the pain.
I hope you find relief soon.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 10, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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I think Jay bro runs in five fingers doesn't he? Maybe he will chime in.
Good post Mr.Gomez
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Jul 10, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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Chi Running said the cure was to walk on sharp rocks barefoot.
Good luck with that advice.....
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 10, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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In the 1950s, ulcers were popular. Then in the early 80s, lower lumbar problems came into vogue. The back as a subject of study became dominant. Remember carpal tunnel syndrome? That emerged during the 1980s when PCs came into use in the office and at home. CT increased 400% in five years. About 5 years ago, plantar fasciitis and the feet in general started to dominate the medical specialist marketplace. Back in Freud and Charcot's day, people exhibited symptoms of hysterical neurosis . . . And so it goes . . . one PPD morphs into the next PPD (psycho-physiological disorder). That's the way the mind works in our culture.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Jul 10, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
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I had PF many years ago and it was serious pain. it was described to me as the foot stretching and the connective tissue was tearing in the balls of my feet and the heel. Cortizone was a temporary remedy, but a combination of orthotics and rest did the trick.
All the stretching in the world will help some, but your body has to heal naturally. Anyone who suggests quick solutions is selling you snake oil. Push it and you'll prolong the problem for years.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 10, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
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So it is all in our heads?. That isn't what my spinal xray says...definitely in my back.
Referring to Bruce Morris
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 11, 2014 - 01:41am PT
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Take a hundred people off the street without back pain, give them MRIs, and you'll find that almost 70% of them have spinal abnormalities. Take another hundred people with back pain, give them MRIs, and you'll find that almost 70% of them have spinal abnormalities. These findings have been replicated in three major double-blind studies, one in Copenhagen, another in Tel Aviv, and a third in Oslo. The conclusion? There is no correlation whatsoever between spinal abnormalities and the incidence of lower lumbar pain. The spinal abnormalities detected by an MRI are usually normal aging changes. Back pain peaks between the 35th and 65th years of age and declines markedly after 60. If back pain was the result of so-called "spinal degeneration", it would keep increasing with age. What is it then that's typically going on between 35 and 65? Adult responsibilities and stress. In almost all of the cases of lower lumbar pain I've seen (many hundreds now), the symptoms usually start after a Holmes-Rahe life stress event like the death of a parent, the birth of a child, loss of job, loss of income, divorce, home foreclosure, big loss on the stock market, etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on. Sometimes of course it's personality traits like perfectionism and goodism that force some people to put tremendous psychic stress on themselves until neuro-chemical changes in the gray matter result in programmed pain pathways, which are always full-duplex. The solution? Reprogram the unconscious part of your brain, the 95% that operates outside your conscious control. Easier said than done!
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:32am PT
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The conclusion? There is no correlation whatsoever between spinal abnormalities and the incidence of lower lumbar pain. The spinal abnormalities detected by an MRI are usually normal aging changes.
Considering that, what is the conclusion you come to?
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Jul 11, 2014 - 10:31am PT
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Considering that, what is the conclusion you come to?
The conclusion is that by the time you are middle age everyone has some spinal abnormalities. Symptoms and physical findings should be correlated closely with the spinal abnormalities to determine if the two are related.
Low back pain is a bugaboo and can be caused from everything from depression to hypothyroidism. There are thousands of failed back surgery patient keeping pain clinics very popular.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 11, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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I am a firm believer in the power of the mind to both heal and destroy us so I can see your point. Thanks
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
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Out of every 100 back surgeries, one is successful (and that may very well be due to the strong impact of the little understood placebo effect). If you believe in the surgery and trust the man in the white coat, the whole procedure may work. The fact remains that everyone has spinal abnormalities in middle age, but not everyone who is middle-aged automatically has lower back pain. It isn't a simple cause-and-effect relationship between bulging disks and herniation and the onset of back pain symptoms. There is in fact one school that believes that it's physically impossible for soft tissue like a herniated disk pressing on soft tissue (i.e. a nerve) to cause any pain whatsoever. The result of such pressure on a nerve should be numbness rather than a major incapacitating back attack. Of course, you should always see the doc to rule out any preexisting condition like tumors in your spine or some nasty auto-immune disorder like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. But as Dr. Gabor Mate has pointed out in his book, When the Body Says No, the onset of auto-immune disorders is very often preceded by a lifetime of emotionally repressive coping styles. In any case, even if you go the PT stretching route or opt for surgery, it's still a very wise thing to work on body-mind issues in the limbic region of the brain where pain messages originate. In other words: It can't hurt to chill out!
I have friend who is a retired Stanford doctor who has been plagued with lower-back pain and tingling in his feet for 20 years. When did his symptoms begin? When he turned 40 had a smash bang divorce and lost his big house in the 'burbs. Look up Holmes-Rahe on Wiki and you'll get the picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
The retired doc has three Holmes-Rahe events all around the time of his 40th b-day when he began obsessing about growing old and losing it. No accident about his so-called "spinal arthritis".
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
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Omg it's just Psychic Stress. Thanks Dr. Morris. I thought that the scoliosis, impact injuries, deteriorated disks and hard labor combined with poor body mechanics were contributing factors. All I need is psychic healing. Wow. BM is a genius. Or a dumbass.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
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Geez!
Listen to what Ron said, find out what you really have.
Could be heel spurs or just damage from hitting your heel on something.
I had a bout of PF a few years ago and getting up in the morning was a 10 min process.
I got rid of it with stretching and time, but also traded a bike for running for aerobic workouts, and every pair of shoes I have except the climbing shoes and bike cleats have Superfeet in them.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
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You've summarized the structural diagnosis in a nutshell. The fact remains that lower-back pain is very much a historical phenomenon that began to gather momentum in the US about 30 years ago. They call that a "preferred symptom" in the behaviorist literature. PPDs (psycho-physiological disorders) go in and out of fashion from era to era. Almost no one today exhibits symptoms of classical hysterical paralysis that were very much in vogue from 1870 to 1900. A native-born Kenyan almost never exhibits symptoms of lower back pain, while a native-born American has an incidence of back pain 3 times higher than in the undeveloped world. Something psycho-physio-cultural-historical is going on here.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
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I had a condition similar to PF a couple of years ago. I know it's sinful to recommend medication on this thread, but I took one tiny Meloxicam tablet a day for about a week and that took care of it. At my age, 77, naturopathic remedies are a poor second choice.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 11, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
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A native-born Kenyan almost never exhibits symptoms of lower back pain, while a native-born American has an incidence of back pain 3 times higher than in the undeveloped world
And the Merikan sits on his ass at a desk all day, then goes home and slouches on the couch in front of the boob tube with beer and chips in hand.
While the Kenyan (cept for the one in the big white house) works his ass off in a farm field and sleeps on a straw mat on the ground.
Yer point is?
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