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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 10, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
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chopper girl This is a very bad precedent!
I'll take a chopper ride to Denali Pass thank you very much. But why stop there?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 10, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
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Using a chopper is a natural extension of the direction Everest "climbing" has been going for quite some time. The "end justifies the means" paradigm has taken all meaning out of "climbing" Everest. I'll donate a small sum for a chopper pad on the summit.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
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Ha! Leave it to you Bruce, to always think ahead.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 10, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
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The reported cost was US$2,000 per person per flight, so a person would spend $4K to get into and out of the Western Cwm.
Sounds like maybe she was just using the chopper to ferry her gear up and came back down with the intent of climbing Khumbu up to her gear.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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May 10, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
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That solves part of the problem--helicopter ferries to Camp 2.
Only a matter of time before technology before it's pushed to further camps and eventually the helicopter ride to the summit for a quick photo shoot and the dividing line between tourons and actual climbers will no longer be grey.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 10, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
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Could be, but the escalation of the "whatever it takes" mentality has only one logical conclusion. Everest has become among the least important climbing venues on earth but remains, for many, the most important summit. These are people who usually do not have much in the way of climbing skills but they do have the means to avail themselves of whatever aids are made available.
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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May 10, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
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Well one could declare that the old camp 2 is now Base Camp thus lessening the stigma of not actually "climbing" part of the route. We all know that the "real climbing" starts above base camp... right? Or maybe... I'm missing something? Ha!
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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May 11, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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that there are only two parties game to take advantage of the chance of a lifetime [climbing the highest mountain in the world without crowds and with increased adventure] just confirms the conventional wisdom that the vast majority being led up the normal route on everest are neither climbers [by any collectively held definition], nor even adventurers.
and one of the two parties is using helicopters, so there is really only one party with any interest in process and the actual climbing.
all of the rest were just looking for a gold star from teacher.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 11, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
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There won't be a traffic jam at the hillary steps.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2014 - 12:06am PT
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The Plot thickens!
Some male climbers seeing the girls take off, are now interested in doing Everest unaided and the Nepalese government has declared Everest still open.
The government is unhappy however, because both women evidently pirated rides on choppers which were given permission to only retrieve equipment from above the ice fall and the Nepalese government is very sensistive about people following protocol. Of course they have egg on their face because the laison officers assigned to the women's permits were no where around to stop them, and the owners of their respective guide agencies, Russel Brice of New Zealand and a Kathmandu man, Murari Sharma, are in a panic that their clients have done something illegal while on permits with their guide agencies. The women I'm sure, are laughing and yelling down the slopes, "catch me if you can". Also no doubt, the chopper pilots are somewhat richer with under the table money for their role in this.
Things used to happen like this in the old days when people snuck around police checkposts to go to forbidden areas and trek and climb without permits, but it hasn't been done for several years now. Between the Maoists chasing the police out of remote checkposts and no lowlanders going above the snow line, Nepal could get really interesting again.
More keen to conquer Everest
RAJAN POKHREL
KATHMANDU: Attempts to climb Mt Everest and Mt Lhotse by two legendary female mountaineers have emboldened other climbers, who have shown interest in scaling the peaks this season itself.
Climbers from Malaysia, China, Peru and Romania have shown interest in scaling the world’s highest peak, officials at the ministry of tourism and civil aviation told THT. “Azim Afif Bin Ishak–led six-member Ever Quest, Malaysia UTM, Everest Exp 2014 and a few others from China, Peru and Romania want to resume climbing.”
Meanwhile, Wang Jing, 40, from China, who is attempting to scale Mt Everest, yesterday flew to Camp 2 from the Base Camp. American climber Cleonice Weidlich, 51, had already flown to Camp 2 from Gorak Shep in her solo bid to scale Mt Lhotse. Both are expected to complete their climbs in the last week of May.
However, their bid to scale the peaks has kicked up a row, as liaison officers assigned by MoTCA for both the climbers — Arjun Shrestha and Laxman Sharma — are in Kathmandu and have no idea what the two women are up to; none of the Sherpas earlier assigned for their expeditions are with them; the agencies that obtained climbing permit for them have no idea about their latest bid; on top of this, the two have flown to Camp 2 on helicopters without taking the ministry’s permission.
“Russell Reginald Brice of the Himalayan Experience (Himex) that got the permit to scale Everest for Jing and others has already approached ministry, raising serious objection over Jing’s move,” sources said.
Murari Sharma, MD at the Everest Parivar, which got the permit for Cleo, is also miffed at her. “We have no idea about Cleo’s latest activities. All other climbers have already been informed about the cancellation of season’s climbing.” Both Brice and Sharma are worried that if the two women succeed in scaling the peaks, the permits for others in their expeditions might become invalid.
MoTCA officials say they will try to settle the disputed issues at the earliest. “We are positive to settle the disputes and also appeal to other climbers to resume climbing if they wish so,” Joint Secretary Madhu Sudan Burlakoti at MoTCA said, hinting that they will be allowed to land at Camp 2 if they wish so.
http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=More+keen+to+conquer+Everest&NewsID=414608#sthash.pvtyLyAK.dpuf
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 12:46am PT
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This thread has inspired me to start a new biz.
Khumbu Kommute.
Looking for some venture capitalists to invest.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 12, 2014 - 12:55am PT
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Well one could declare that the old camp 2 is now Base Camp thus lessening the stigma of not actually "climbing" part of the route. We all know that the "real climbing" starts above base camp... right? Or maybe... I'm missing something? Ha!
Not any different than the hordes that jug fixed ropes to Heart and then claim the did the Salathe.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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May 12, 2014 - 01:06am PT
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Bitches got no RESPECT for the Sherpa People that died fixing the lines for those Ho's, it's all about them. . .Stupid climbers. . .
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 12, 2014 - 01:07am PT
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May 11, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
This thread has inspired me to start a new biz.
Khumbu Kommute.
Looking for some venture capitalists to invest.
Wish I still had my old 23 window to use as my investment in Kumbu Kombi Komute.
Same color.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 12, 2014 - 01:16am PT
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If it goes pear-shaped for the climbers, then won't the poor locals have to risk-it-all to save them?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2014 - 01:38am PT
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I doubt that's going to happen as Cleo has already said some nasty things about the Sherpas on Facebook. As for the Chinese climber Wang Jing, it's not clear if her 7 Sherpas flew to Çamp 2 with her or she also is going alone.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 12, 2014 - 01:46am PT
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You said Wang. Huh huh.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2014 - 01:55am PT
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??? Wang's a common last name in China ???
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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May 12, 2014 - 02:22am PT
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Johnson?
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