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climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Dec 28, 2013 - 10:00pm PT

I've never met Vegan..AFAIK

Maybe this is just a joke..

Not sure..I'm starting to think it's not real..It really doesn't make any sense, I've been taken in by smarter jokes than this "VEGAN" thing.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2013 - 10:03pm PT

Nice Tami. :)

Daphne

Trad climber

Northern California

Dec 28, 2013 - 10:15pm PT

Are there any vegan cooking classes in your area? It would be a "fun" couples activity (it would be my idea of fun, but maybe not yours) and it would surely provide ideas to ramp up the meals via different ingredients and techniques.

Larry Nelson

Social climber

Dec 28, 2013 - 10:20pm PT

goatboy smellz

climber

लघिमा

Dec 28, 2013 - 10:57pm PT

Welcome back to the real world Brandon. I hope it works out with the lady friend and maybe you can feed some sense into her.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Dec 28, 2013 - 11:01pm PT

If it's an ism drown it in jism.

feed some sense into her...like sushi grade salmon, center cut lamb chops, James Beard roast chicken, Penn Cove Select Oysters......

aguacaliente

climber

Dec 29, 2013 - 12:55am PT

Strictly speaking, even a strict vegetarian wouldn't want to eat fish sauce (referring back to page 1) so that's not solely a vegan issue. It's the no eggs, butter, cheese that becomes limiting sometimes.

There is a lot of good Mediterranean food that is vegan. It's not like it's trying to be some sort of contrived vegan glop, it's just good food that happens not to have dairy. Expect to use a lot of olive oil. Nut and seed pastes like tahini make up for a lot of the fatty goodness you miss from dairy. Try this one: Butternut squash, red onions and tahini: http://www.nytimes.com/recipes/1015421/roasted-butternut-squash-and-red-onions.html I thought it was really good.

I don't eat vegan and think it is kind of a fetish, but often want to feed friends who are vegetarian or vegan. It's not really that hard if you know how to cook in a mediterranean cuisine. What sucks is trying to bake vegan (especially dessert - bread is fine). Baking without butter, milk, or eggs is like saying you do boulder eliminates with a clothespin on your nose, it's a contrived difficulty.

thebravecowboy

Social climber

Colorado Plateau

Dec 29, 2013 - 01:00am PT

OT post of the year?

Me? I'll eat steak and cheeseburgers and cake and acid and all the good things in life. F*#k pigs, if they had thumbs they'd be ruling Texas right now.

Q- Ball

Mountain climber

where the wind always blows

Dec 29, 2013 - 01:05am PT

I admit I am from Tennessee, but how do you pass up a fresh road kill deer? I stop and say "you are edible" as I load it up.

edit: two days ago I picked up three does but i don't have anymore freezer space. I gave them to some needy locals and they were extremely happy!

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Dec 29, 2013 - 01:10am PT

F*#k pigs, if they had thumbs they'd be ruling Texas right now.

I think pigs with thumbs have been ruling Texas for quite a while.

thebravecowboy

Social climber

Colorado Plateau

Dec 29, 2013 - 01:18am PT

I think porcine bacon tastes better than neocon bacon.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Dec 29, 2013 - 01:27am PT

My work around is to purchase dairy from local farms where I know everyone involved.

So you are getting good raw dairy? Awesome food that..

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Dec 29, 2013 - 09:58am PT

Brandon-, you are right in that vegan cooking is very challenging. But despite all the intelligent people here spouting off that you need lots of meat, they should all read a few studies by Caldwell Esselstyn and Colin Campbell. Unfortunately, they also say dairy is very bad as is cooking with oils (they call oil liquid fat). I'm not interested in living forever, just staying active as long as possible and for me eating right is just part of that and anybody who thinks these huge food production companies are looking out for our best interests is just fooling themselves. And the way most (there are some good small producers) meat is raised, processed, and handled in this country is abominable and I just refuse to support it. Generally, you need to go to Europe if you want well raised and handled meat. We do eat some meat here, but for the most part it was wild before it ended up on our table.

After a year of working it, I've got a few dishes that really work meaning even the hard core carnivores like them. PM me if you want to trade ... my goal is 21 good dishes and I'm along way off from that.

I will not proselytize more about this, but the stuff I spewed above is based on scientific studies. So go for it and pound on me if you want, but it would be better if you all read some of this stuff first. And not the bullsh#t about the "Mediterranean diet". There are just so many things wrong with those studies.

Let the sh#tstorm continue!!

Chris

paul roehl

Boulder climber

california

Dec 29, 2013 - 12:25pm PT

If you love animals so much you're not eating them, then why are you eating all their food?

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2013 - 12:27pm PT

Tioga, (my dogs name, BTW) if you can't say anything nice then maybe just STFU.

:)

dirtbag

climber

Dec 29, 2013 - 12:49pm PT

If you love animals so much you're not eating them, then why are you eating all their food?

Bingo.

Obtaining food during a life on Earth will result in the death of animals, thousands of them, even if you do not eat them.

weezy

climber

Dec 29, 2013 - 01:19pm PT

the best part about being a vegan/vegetarian is having people who don't give a sh#t about you as a human being all of a sudden become agitated about your diet.