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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
JEleazarian said:
"He can say what he wants in the U.S., and his potential viewers can select whether or not to view him based on what he says. To that extent, at least, it remains a free country."

No. That's not a firm thing John. All of us have (differing) limits on what we consider acceptable speech. This isn't as bad as some of the White Power BS, not even close. But it shows a certain dullness and lack of savvy on Phil Roberstons part. Norton said it pretty good up thread. Norton said:
"Mr Robertson, like so many other people, comes to sweeping conclusions effortlessly and easily,
because it is easier to do that then spend the time and effort actually learning and questioning.

And by choosing to have a lazy intellect, he is going to hear other people exercise their right of free speech by calling him uninformed, misinformed, and just plain ignorant"

See a lot of that here on ST too.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
From 1956, when he turned 10, through 1968, there were 3 whites and 4 blacks lynched in the US.
why didn't you choose when he was 9 years old?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
couch, the Constitution puts the limits of legal speech quite broadly. The nature of freedom of speech is to protect offensive speech, because inoffensive speech needs no protection.

I don't find this an issue of freedom of speech, though, because I think A&E has every right to discontinue a show of anyone whose speech they find unacceptable, in their sole discretion. I have that same right, by choosing to whom I listen or watch. Put differently, I may have no right to prevent someone from saying something I find unacceptable, but I have every right to react to unacceptable speech by judging the speakers by what is said, and boycotting interaction with them.

John
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
From 1956, when he turned 10, through 1968, there were 3 whites and 4 blacks lynched in the US.

Really? You must be young and not remember the '60s. Let's not be technical, and include shootings, beatings and explosives along with the lynchings.
http://www.splcenter.org/civil-rights-memorial/civil-rights-martyrs

http://www.crmvet.org/mem/msmartyr.htm
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:37pm PT

I can't believe people are getting worked up over this.

It's no more offensive than your typical night on MSNBC or The Daily Show.

Hey Sketch your "sheet" is showing. Maybe you should cut bigger eye holes your vision seems blurred.

He can say what he wants in the U.S., and his potential viewers can select whether or not to view him based on what he says. To that extent, at least, it remains a free country.
yeah! It's not like he was the Dixie Chicks protesting Bush's illegal wars or something bad.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Whew, when I read the OP title I thought this was gonna be about Werner.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Never heard about any lynchings. Never saw any shooting, beatings or explosives.

So, if you didn't see it, it didn't happen?
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
The show's about self-proclaimed "rednecks".Why's everyone acting so shocked?Jeez.It's real easy...Don't watch it or support it then.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
And we care what some scraggly-bearded hick who makes duck calls thinks becaaauussee...
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Do people like that actually exist?


From one who was a kid in the deep south in the 1940s: yes . . . and much worse. DD Dad is not so bad in comparison.
GuapoVino

Trad climber
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Roberson is talking out of his @$$, which is pretty common in those circles. The Bible calls it teaching a false gospel and you probably can assume what the bible says about THAT (not good).

Homosexuality is only mentioned in the bible seven times, and all of those are in the old testament, and not one mention of gay marriage. Jesus never said a single thing about homosexuality. One might even assume from his silence on the issue that it wasn't a big issue for him. In contrast, there are hundreds of references by Jesus on economic justice and the laws governing the accumulation and distribution of wealth. Hmmm.

I debate Christians a lot and am always surprised to learn how many of them are ignorant of what the bible actually says. You would think that if you were a Christian and if the bible was the inspired word of God that you would at least want to know what God had to say. That always puzzled me. It's also puzzling how they can go back and forth on whether or not we are supposed to follow stuff in the old testament. If it suits them we are, if it doesn't suit them we aren't.

Here's a few verses from the old testament that might interest Roberson, who likes to eat frog legs and crawdads. According to the bible it's an abomination, but only in the old testament. I know, it's confusing.

Leviticus 11:9-13
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
I didn't say that. You seem to knowledgeable on that chapter of our history. Tell us all about seeing blacks getting strung up for daring to do things like...vote!

Do you deny that the KKK existed? Do you deny that blacks were persecuted in this country for trying to exercise their constitutional rights?
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Gary, why do you say "existed"... Wake up man!
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
And we care what some scraggly-bearded hick who makes duck calls thinks becaaauussee...

Because we must punish those that have beliefs that do align with ours. Or at least that what appears is happening.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Apparently A&E knew all about his religious beliefs long before casting him in the "show".
I guess it is well documented on video.

So they knowingly hired him and then fired him for voicing his beliefs.

That makes sense....in Hollywood.


happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
Ekat what do you think Archie Bunker would be thought of today lol!;-)

The "All In The Family" show used Archie Bunker's bigotry to HIGHLIGHT the offensive nature of bigotry. Carrol O'Connor was not a bigot in actuality, and it was well known during the time that he was playing a character with with the purpose of breaking down the barriers that had been upheld in this country over the years.

Here is Carrol O'Connor doing an interview, along with Jean Stapleton( who played Edith Bunker). You'll notice that neither of those two seemed to need to "stay in character" off stage.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
No thanks bro..just tellin' it like it is though. I don't support his views but I do support his right to express his views.







Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Hmmmm, let's see, a redneck who is a racist homophobe. Who woulda thought? I mean really, what a surprise!

Stoopid 'mericans
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Dec 19, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Caitlin Cahow breaks it down, with eloquence and maturity (M. Lauer asks her about the Duck controversy):

http://www.today.com/news/gay-olympian-proud-represent-us-diversity-delegate-russia-2D11775075



~peace
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