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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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BS
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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I'm guessing that concerns around this subject were involved? Its expressly forbidden on many forums, though not specifically addressed in Supertopo's terms of service.
legal issues of posting e-mail correspondence on blog/ and email addresses as well
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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Too bad it was deleted. I thought OP brought out an issue actually related to climbing. Can one individual use another person's work to gain financial support and not be penalized if proven guilty?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
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If the thread was deleted by the moderator(s) because controversy was involved, it is just wrong and out of character with the taco. I don't know any of the people involved and don't know the details, but it seemed to me johnkelly had a pretty rational position.
Can't speak for his history on forum posting because I can't recall any, but seems like he pissed a few people off. I've known others that got trashed & slammed because they went against the grain of the "locals".
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
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Jim Brennan
Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Nov 12, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
You have to define "work". Ideas aren't work. If you have an idea and you don't copyright, publish or capitalize on it, it's only an idea.
Would a photo be considered work? The photo he attached to his grant application was mine, used without my permission or knowledge
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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It's about "trust".
You stupid people just don't get it.
Trust is priceless and trumps everything below it.
When trust is broken you've broken everything ......
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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It's about "trust".
You stupid people just don't get it.
Trust is priceless and trumps everything below it.
When trust is broken you've broken everything ...... I tried to explain that to my last GF. She broke everything anyway.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
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WBraun that's my point. I trusted him, after all he gave me his "word" on it. Then he broke that trust and was awarded financially for it
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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Now the real question I have is it ethically appropriate for the grant committies to award the grants after they know that?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
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You already know the answer to that.
We now live in world where there's very little trust honor and loyalty.
It's every man for himself.
Stupid Darwinism.
Jackass Darwin never had a clue ......
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
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I'm not sure I have an opinion on your question. The picture(s) may or may not have been part of their decision to award the grant. Regardless of ethos I would think they would want to avoid doing it so they could stay out of something like this. I would think this is not the type of return they were hoping to receive when they awarded the grant.
Apparently, polartec in turn published the picture somewhere. Did any of the other interested parties?
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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I heard it was shown at the Ouray Ice Festival when the Mugs Stump Awards were announced. I wasn't there so can't say for sure?
Polartec was, after learning the truth, very apologetic and paid me for using the photo. They were the only ones involved that showed any integrity
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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Funny how sponsored and grant chaser climbers keep blowing it, eh?
If ya want to in the public's eye, better play by the book, or develop a thick skin.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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jeopardizing ad revenue is the one moderatable ST sin.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
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Now the real question I have is it ethically appropriate for the grant committies to award the grants after they know that?
You already know the answer to that.
Exactly. You know the answer. It's not ethical. I doubt there is anyone here that would disagree.
Question is - what do you do?
There's little you can do.
It's the way they work. It's bullsh#t.
Now... how to move on and realize there's nothing you can do about it.
The people funding the grants don't care. And my guess is somehow ST is tied in with those folks thus your thread was wiped. Or maybe it's something else. We'll never know.
Welcome to the punchbowl.
Edit: more trip reports.
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Nov 13, 2013 - 12:04am PT
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What bullsh#t.
At least McNamara sent you am email with SOME info.
Same old same old- be nice if somewhere in the world was immune to this stuff. Oh well, let's see if this thread gets the chop too.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Nov 13, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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You know I'm actually surprised about that thread being deleted! Frieh spoke up in it? I'm really curious about what he said now too! Oh man how will I get my climbing gossip soup? :)
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Nov 13, 2013 - 01:49am PT
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Weird, my comment on that thread do not show up on my profile. Even on deleted threads you can usually find your own comments.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Nov 13, 2013 - 02:58am PT
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If pictures were used for advertising for the companies offering the grant you would think they would need to obtain permission from the photographer to use comercially.
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