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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Sep 17, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
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all we have are the news reports , and they talk about them hearing "branches breaking." that could easily be a .22, .223 or even a deer round given that folks were sleeping (3am), and who knows what conditions were.
really common in small bore accidents for no one to hear the shot. and not uncommon for deer hunters ti bring along other "fun" weapons and cases of bud lite for after hours practice.
and what does "small calibre" mean in this context? elk/mulie season in tensleep right now? apparently he's ok and didn;t even feel it right away. lucky-- .22 through the heart or spine and katie bar the door.
any number of likely scenarios here, all of them moderately f*#ked up, but none of them involving anything weird. and none of them likely to be touched by any imaginable gun control leg.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Sep 17, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
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What a great welcome to our country, Fuuck in some ways we must seem like the third world,
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 17, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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drug deal or something
I mean, locals just wouldn't peg some Ecuadorian with small-cal for no reason
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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yes, Ecuadorian... must have been a drug deal... of course.
Cuz rednecks are responsible gun owners. Hell, some responsible good ol boys in Utah put a round through my friend's VW bus while we were sleeping in it, cuz they were responsibly spot lighting rabbits from a jeep at 3am and didn't see us until he flashed his lights. Then they kindly and responsibly went to shoot into the night somewheres else.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Sep 17, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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Sounds like some drunker shooting in the middle of the night several miles away. Our climbers may have been the victim of stray rounds coming down.
Sound like branches breaking = stray rounds striking around the tent area.
No sound of gunshot = because shooter was miles away.
Small caliber = AR15
Wyoming, er., Earth = Drunks firing weapons in the middle of the night.
That poor redneck trying to steal Donini's bumper sticker. I guess the poor sod didn't have money to buy one new.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 17, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
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Hard to tell what "small caliber" means to the guy who wrote the news story.
The local San Bernardino Fishwrap sometimes calls a .223 a "large caliber" round.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 18, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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It's Wyoming. Anything under 357Mag or .45 is small caliber.
Seriously, this sucks. And there have been times when I have been the climber worried about the drunk rednecks.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 18, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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Whether the .223 round is small or large caliber depends on which end of it you are at,...
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Sep 18, 2013 - 01:07am PT
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Hey, with all bigoted prejudice going on here, I'll jump in the same as you and say it was probably an immigrant Mexican. And I mean it too.
Watched my best friend get knifed in the neck over a pool game by some rough neck immigrant oil workers near Casper when I was a kid.
Anyway's I wouldn't ever say the above except as to make a point. And that is, there are surely a lot of cool and well meaning red necks too in Wyoming or any state.
Dig?
Arne
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 18, 2013 - 01:43am PT
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Oh, the tragedy, the travesty. I can't believe how reactionary people get to common bad news. Sure it's tough when it hits close to home , but it is a big world with a lot of people that are not doing so well. Beware of desperate situations and keep your powder dry.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 18, 2013 - 10:02am PT
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Mr Wyna writes:
"The small cal is the one that didn't blow his guts out and leave him dead on the spot..
You really think we can't tell the difference by looking at the hole in the guy?"
Caliber is determined by measuring the diameter of the bullet, or by measuring the bore of the gun, not by measuring the diameter of the wound.
If the author was talking about the size of the wound, he would not have used the term "caliber", and then you'd be onto something.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Sep 18, 2013 - 10:06am PT
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lots of bolts and comfortized holds in Ten Sleep...
... maybe an angry 'ethcial' trad?
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Sep 18, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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WTF said- nice to see the typical stupid poster gun haters,Then he says- your inability to have a rational conversation with any civility.
Haha, thanks for the morning dose of irony WTF. Lol
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 18, 2013 - 11:23am PT
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The only poster on this thread who makes any sense is Spider Savage.
Sounds like some drunker shooting in the middle of the night several miles away. Our climbers may have been the victim of stray rounds coming down.
Sound like branches breaking = stray rounds striking around the tent area.
No sound of gunshot = because shooter was miles away.
Small caliber = AR15
The US Navy says a .223 round fired out of a 20" barrel elevated at 45 degrees has a carrying range of "more than two miles." I suspect it is considerably more than that. Ron??
The cops probably figured that out right away which would account for the statement that climbers are safe (meaning not targeted.) Assuming they got a bullet out of the climber, getting the shooter by a ballistics match is a long shot (no pun intended) unless someone reports the shooters.
I'm glad to hear he will live to climb another day.
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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Sep 18, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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Another possibility is that someone was a long ways away shooting randomly up canyon. The noise of the bullets hitting the trees and branches woke them and then a random bullet struck one of them. This might explain the lack of gunshot noise and the non report of noise from someone fleeing after the shooting.
edit: I see that Spider Savage already suggested this possibility.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Sep 18, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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Could have been people above the canyon shooting at targets, not even aware that the bullets missing were falling into the canyon, and the noises they heard in the bushes could have been other rounds hitting around the bushes. And he caught the unlucky one.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Sep 18, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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next up on ST crime investigators.....
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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Could have been people above the canyon shooting at targets, not even aware that the bullets missing were falling into the canyon
Ah yes, gun owners clearly responsible enough to buy and use a gun anytime with little or no training... just out having some innocent fun at 3am... the kind of fun our forefathers envisioned when they wrote the entirely relevant 2nd amendment 200+ years ago.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Sep 18, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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Could have been people above the canyon shooting at targets, not even aware that the bullets missing were falling into the canyon
Ah yes, gun owners clearly responsible enough to buy and use a gun anytime with little or no training... just out having some innocent fun at 3am... the kind of fun our forefathers envisioned when they wrote the entirely relevant 2nd amendment 200+ years ago.
You're a f*#king tool.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
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What, I'm agreeing with you! It could have happened exactly as you stated. In fact, I'd say that is the most likely scenario. Seriously.
I bet this wouldn't have happened if the climbers had been armed. They could have started shooting when they first heard the noises... as a way of politely saying "hey, don't shoot over here... respectfully yours, a fellow gun owner." Not seriously.
The point is, we need more people with easy access to more guns to avoid senseless gun violence... not background checks, mandatory safety classes, and gun regulation.
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