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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 26, 2013 - 11:21am PT
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"So, while Seaworld might look like a circus that to some extent exploit animals, they also do some serious work in endangered species conservation, wildlife rescue and habitat preservation."
Kinda like REI is ok because they contribute to the Access Fund?
I don't think either Sea World or REI have evil intent specifically against ocean animals or the outdoor community, but the net effect they have on their respective areas of interest is weak (to say the least).
Haven't seen these movies yet...but I'll check 'em out.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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The Cove is actually entertaining except for about 5 minutes of slaughter. I met the director in Mexico. He lives a mile from me. When we got those rains he got flooded. I went up to help him clean up. Brought vegan sushi. Louie is on the left.
I'm really in the middle of it now....
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ydpl8s
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Santa Monica, California
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Oct 26, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
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If you can watch that scene where they are slinging the baby Orca and all of the adults are staying around crying to it, without having a tear come to your eye, well then, you were probably ok with Abu Ghraib. I have read that violent murderers often have an early history of animal cruelty.
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drljefe
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El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 26, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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I now find myself in the middle of a movement
Hope everything comes out ok.
The slaughter of cetaceans is a horrible thing and must be stopped.
Keeping them in captivity as circus animals is heartbreaking too.
For educational purposes, there's got to be a better way.
Thanks for making a difference.
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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Oct 26, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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This is another big opportunity to reassess our relationship with the other beings on this planet. Hope is does not get wasted.
When you take highly intelligent, powerful and social animals (including elephants) out of their normal environment, where they have lived for 1,000 or 1,000,000 of years, and force them into some man-made contrivance bad things will happen to both.
We should know better by now....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Oct 26, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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Nature, way to go! bringing this to public attention.
Even though it hurts, everyone needs to see Blackfish. Even more so, they need to study it and learn from it. Or relearn from it. As necessary.
Be the change you seek in the world.
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Btw, big big kudos to that Peters (trainer) - epitome of cool, calm and collected!
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Oct 26, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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I guess I was thinking about "The Cove", when I posted back a ways. The South Park episode seemed like an interesting counterpoint, although I never saw the cove.
Also, back when I was a student of the biology, there were a couple of kayakers who were lost somewhere off of Southern CA. The story was that the biologist who inspected the kayaks thought it was an orca. He wanted to avoid the backlash, so sharks got the blame.
Finally, it seems that humans are partially so successful because they'll eat pretty much everything they can, from any environment. Maybe when you're among the top of the food chain, it's nice to have something exotic every now and then.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
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HFCS - thanks. I'm in a space now where I really have no choice.
Yeah, Peters was very calm. Problem is he's very outspoken at this point that keeping these animals in captivity is OK.
You'd think after almost being killed by one your mind might change. Apparently not in his case.
Jim - yeah, but I did mention Taiji.
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justthemaid
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Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 26, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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I was working in the garage all day and actually caught all but the first 15 minutes on a repeat today. Completely soaked my hankie for sure. These films are hard to watch but everyone really should.
I revise my former statement: Sea World can completely go f*#k itself.
Looks like they are repeating Blackfish again tomorrow night at 9:00 BTW.
Edit to add: I NEVER liked those shows with dolphin and whales... even as a little kid. I was WAY more into the tide-pools where you could see critters up close and they'd let you hold a sea star. It just baffles my mind why these intelligent creatures are still held a slaves in this day and age.
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gasman
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eugene
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Oct 26, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
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I have always had a hard time with zoos in general but I know they are responsible for helping sustain endangered species.
I have never wanted nor seen a SeaWorld. Now, I'm really pissed at them. We know too much about dolphins (including the largest-Killer Whales to keep them in captivity. Just pisses me off.
I'm really glad I saw Blackfish and am terminally pissed.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
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I'm in no way being critical but one thing I'm really trying to be mindful of is to call them Orcas.
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Oct 26, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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I'm pretty much on the same page nature. Still, I'd be proud to paddle out with the Makah to look for some grey whales. I heard they were using 50 cal. antiaircraft guns which seems less sporting, but sensible.. The stories about Orcas, aborigines, and whales are interesting too.
I never liked the disneyfication of SeaWorld. The fact that it is a publicly traded co. seems wrong too. Still, even non-profits are bureaucracies that have an interest in perpetuating their work, sometimes regardless of the results.
The subjugation of intelligent animals with complex behaviors and social structures for our pleasure is pretty jacked. Isn't that what humans do to other humans too? Some even do it under the guise of great religions.
Maybe just keep living a good life. I hope some things change, and it is good that people are concerned and willing to work for change.
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Oct 27, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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Sustainability definitely seems like a worthy and less selfish goal. I'm not a vegan so I can't point fingers. Maybe if I was serious, I'd eat more bugs. Have you ever tried insect sushi?
Also, nice pictures of the mermaid girl. Did you ever hear about the woman who liked to go swimming off of a pier around Morro Bay? She was into communing with the sea lions. One day, the sea lions suddenly disappeared. Unfortunately, the man with the gray suit was in the neighborhood, and it didn't end well for her.
This guy is a trip also:
https://gregorycolbert.com/#!ashesandsnowGalleryAlt
The pictures of the whales aren't photoshopped, from what I heard.
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phylp
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Millbrae, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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Nature, maybe I missed it in this thread, but is there an non-profit organization that is working to make it illegal to use cetaceans in entertainment shows? I have always found those shows distasteful, but somehow did not take that thought one step further and ask myself if the animals are essentially being tortured by being captured and in captivity. I had no idea that they captured healthy animals, bred them, separated babies from their mothers. I didn't even realize there was more than one Seaworld. I guess I somehow had the impression that the only whales in captivity were those that had been rescued after being sick or injured somewhere. Essentially, until I watched Blackfish, I was totally uninformed about the industry. Never having had kids, I never go to these types of places.
But after watching Blackfish I feel sick at the industry practices. If there is a petition to sign that would make a difference? If there's a non-profit that I can make a donation to? I was going to try to research this sometime this week but if you have some links, please post.
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RtM
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DHS
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Oct 28, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
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Started to watch it, but had to change the channel because it was making my wife cry.
I hope it comes on again, because I would really like to see the whole thing. Watching that kind of stuff does make me feel ill inside, but typically I feel even worse if I turn the other cheek and carry on as if these types of things don't happen.
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