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ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:34am PT
The real question is now that he is not associated with NPS, how long until he gets tooled for being a "commercial" photographer?

Um, that already happened more than a decade ago. Tom has never asked me or anyone else (I know of) for money. We donate to his cause.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:42am PT
Sorry to hear it Tom. Nothing new really, the tool is the tool is the tool. Faces under the flathat change, but the endless BS never does.


Ed wrote:
we have Roger Brown being told he was no longer of service in the Valley

Really? WTF? Talk about selfless giving back to the community. Roger is THE MAN.

ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Aug 12, 2013 - 03:33am PT
Nice Tom!

Yup, I was only out of the game for about three month's before climbing and jumping again.

Thanks for everything you do! I have one of your photos of Kait and I hanging on the wall, here at the house. Like I said, just razzing a friend and it felt like I was on the bridge saying the above, all good mate... virtual bridge spray.

"Bask in the glory!"

Yarrrr!
Fig's Lady

Social climber
Bishop, CA and Tucson Arizona
Aug 12, 2013 - 05:39am PT
I think he should have a peak named after him.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 12, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Hey Tommy,

Congratulations on your promotion! You have now been elevated to the status of Independent Dirtbag.

No longer do you need to account to anyone for anything. From what I can tell, it will be business as usual.

See you soon, buddy. I'm still looking for partner[s] for the fall wall season, so please keep your eyes open for me, eh?
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
I think he should have a peak named after him.

Or, at least a feature on El Cap ;)
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Did you give yourself the "Captain Tom" nickname? Because I've never heard anyone call you that and you know the rules, you can't give YOURSELF a nickname.

by the powerf's vested in me
as the villiage space cadet,

i hereby grant tom the
fitting and appropriate
handle,

Major Tom.
(he's also ground control)

[Click to View YouTube Video]
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
"The National Park Service, (NPS) now says that as a volunteer, all my photos, writings, blogs, artistic renderings, etc. that were done using information gathered while volunteering at the Bridge, are now exclusively the property of the NPS and I have no rights to any of my own work."

It's a good thing that you gathered all that info before and after your shift. ;-)

I'm glad you gave up the nps gig instead of your calling making the El Cap report!

As always a respectful reporting of the events. Bravo!
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
I laughed out loud at Ian's post near the top. Perfect description of valley employment 30 years back.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 12, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
So we all have to turn over our Facelift photos?

So actually, I believe the issue is the right to sell or otherwise monetize the photos. Not that Tom has to stop taking them or publishing them for free.

The National Park Service, (NPS) now says that as a volunteer, all my photos, writings, blogs, artistic renderings, etc. that were done using information gathered while volunteering at the Bridge, are now exclusively the property of the NPS and I have no rights to any of my own work.

Tom, any clarification on this? Do you have to turn everything over? Is this ex post facto or from now on?
Johnny K.

climber
Aug 12, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
The NPS really told Roger Brown he is not a service to Yosemite valley??? O_O

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 12, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Well, you don't get to be a Nat Park Superintendent by being smart or,
necessarily, a good person. The Peter Principle when applied to guvmint
organisations is more aptly termed The Peter Principal.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 12, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
It would seem that the NPS, at least at Yosemite, should try to figure out just what kind of an organization it wants to be, and how they could collaborate with a constituency which has an intimate connection with the place.

Ed, it would appear its brass has already done so. This is such a shame, because almost all of NPS Yosemite employees I know are wonderful people, and many contribute greatly to this forum.

I, too, appreciate your letting us know the situation, and your willingness to continue providing us your matchless photos, Tom. Thanks much.

John
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Aug 12, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
Good on you Capt Tom. I'm putting you in for a promotion to Major now. You're a lot more gracious than me though, those faceless souless POS valley PROFESSIONAL scumsuckers sucking off the public tit can kiss my ass.

Hopefully as a private citizen you are not hassled for doing your thing, which is so kind and interesting for so many.

Thank you
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Aug 12, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
The NPS action does not stand the test of basic reason and fairness and therefore is particularly repugnant; really just sort of a trick that jailers would play. Obviously we will not get the full tale from anyone, especially here.

Who would have foreseen this petty policy erupting into action today? There have to be ulterior reasons for this new tack. Like breaking up the Bridge scene and all that it usually entails during big days on El Cap. And the Master Plan is about to change the EC Meadow as well and its use very different in the near future.

Anyway Neubacher has never shown particular grace or wisdom whilst at the helm. Just look at his Oyster Farm Debacle at Point Reyes National? And the ever-loving foot-dragging and evident lip service over returning Camp Four to some vague state of decency and to its original planned size, especially for our myriad international visitors. Now decades running.
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Aug 12, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Hey folks, I really appreciate your support but I am not trying to cause a fight here. I just wanted to let people know why I have elected to quit rather than submit. It is like any job... when you are given the conditions for employment you have a choice... agree and work ... or disagree and don't. I am perfectly happy to make that choice

You are such a class act, Tom ... and talented beyond belief.

I look forward to continuing to follow your work.
Your blog kind of makes my day!


~peace to you and your future endeavors!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 12, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Are they going to REPLACE TOM with someone else at the bridge?

Looks to me like they already did:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2200282/Who-is-working-at-the-El-Cap-bridge


"I’m Erik Sloan, and I’m working this year with the YCA/NPS on the Ask a Climber Program"
elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
Aug 12, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Yo.. I am 100% behind Erik as I have worked with him and he knows what to say and do for the Tourons. He is a good friend and I wish him and his son the very best.
schwortz

Social climber
"close to everything = not at anything", ca
Aug 12, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
thanks tom

ed's comments seemed most appropriate:
at a time when volunteerism seemed to be gaining interest among the climbers, we have Roger Brown being told he was no longer of service in the Valley and now Tom having to agree to conditions which are not at all agreeable.

It would seem that the NPS, at least at Yosemite, should try to figure out just what kind of an organization it wants to be, and how they could collaborate with a constituency which has an intimate connection with the place.

Climbers are not just tourists, at least not the climbers I know... and this strict interpretation of "the rules" will only inhibit more cooperation. The park could use much more cooperation, and on mutually beneficial terms.

Thanks to you Tom for all you've done both for the climbers you've shot, and for educating the public about what we do. You've been there for many climbers in their time of need too, I'm sure that fact was most welcome in all cases.
Offset

climber
seattle
Aug 12, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Tom -

thanks for giving the facts up front. Happy to hear you'll still be around and on the bridge.

enjoy the rest of your summer cuz you're gunna d1e!!
b.bob
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